+++ Aziz and Alan Best Regards, 2017-07-17 18:17 GMT+02:00 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>:
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Dear Pastor Peters,
You addressed your questions to Aziz, but a few of them really are in my domain and I will attempt to reply.
The message I sent Aziz was a reminder and not the result of a recent ALAC action. In 2008/9, we had the first Independent Review of At-Large. This process was a long and complicated one that involved extensive consultation all all levels of the community. One of the recommendations was that all RALOs investigate how (note "how", not "if") to incorporate individual unaffiliated members into their organization. That set of recommendations was approved by the ICANN Board on 26 June 2009 (Resolution 2009-06-26-30).
At that time, NARALO already had individual members, but it was the only RALO that did. The "Recommendation", once approved by the Board, was no longer an option (and notably, no RALO objected to it!) EURALO and eventually APRALO developed procedures, each in their own way, to accommodate users unaffiliated with ALSes. AFRALO and LACRALO have not done so to date.
The ongoing review of At-Large has come out with an even stronger recommendation that individual users are essential, and that it MUST not be required that a person interested in joining At-Large either form or find an ALS. Although At-Large is generally not agreeing with the details of this recommendation and particularly the implication that ALSes be effectively abolished, all of our responses, including those of the RALOs which all RALO members had a opportunity to contribute to, agreed that we would have individual unaffiliated members in all regions. This "compromise" has the advantage of allowing RALOs to set the specific rules (within a reasonable envelope) of such individual membership.
To address your number 2, the ALAC does not have direct jurisdiction over RALOs, but RALOS are subject to certain rules made by the ALAC (and developed with regional input) where the ICANN Bylaws and ALAC Rules of Procedure give the ALAC such rights. Each RALO selects ALAC Members and by doing so, the region gives those representatives the right to act on their behalf.
Regarding your question 5 on the benefits of individual members, the ICANN Bylaws identifies At-Large as the home of all individual Internet users. As originally envisioned, there would be ALSes which would allow (and I quote the Bylaws) "every individual Internet user who is a citizen of a country within the RALO's Geographic Region to participate in at least one of the RALO's At-Large Structures". Clearly this is not the case now, and it is unrealistic to believe that this is possible. Many ALSes have particular orientations or interests (such as yours) and cannot be expected to accommodate everyone. And two sets of external reviewers have recognized that requiring someone to set up a new ALS just to be able to participate in a RALO is not reasonable.
At-Large had FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE who are really active in the policy work for which ICANN exists. At-Large is not here to do outreach or organize and participate in RALOs. These are necessary activities to allow us to thrive, but the REAL reason we are here is to work with other parts of ICANN representing user interests. Anything we can do to remove barriers to allowing more participation is crucial to our existence.
Alan
At 16/07/2017 04:37 PM, Peters Omoragbon wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: <English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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