Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation
<English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regardsAziz HILALI AFRALO Chair--------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. CordialementAziz HilaliAFRALO Chair
No objection to your proposal Aziz. Regards On Jul 16, 2017 11:07 PM, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Bonjour à tous! L'ALS du Mali (ISOC MALI) adhère entièrement à la proposition M. le Président. Nous n'avons pas d'objections. Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Dear Mr. Aziz Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call. On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals. We oppose this motion. Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Bonsoir à tous Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ; Merci On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Bonjour, Merci Aziz pour ce message. Des discussions avaient été faites sur ce sujet. Pas d'objection pour moi. Cordialement, Ramanou 2017-07-16 23:43 GMT+02:00 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong < abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>:
Bonsoir à tous
Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ;
Merci
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Co-Fondateur ZIYARA Sarl
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---------------------------------
Le Secrétaire Exécutif
Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ----------------------------------
The Executive Secretary
Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
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Bonjour, Nous ne voyons non plus d'objection. Avançons. Salut à tous, Gabdibé Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNÉ Coordinatrice de l'AEPF-Tchad B.P.: 6716, N'Djamena-Tchad Tel: (+235) 66 24 95 56/99 24 95 56 Mail: gabdibegabhingonne@gmail.com : associationaepf@gmail.com Skype : live:gabdibegabhingonne ________________________________ From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Ramanou S. BIAOU <biaous2002@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:55:26 PM To: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong Cc: Afri-Discuss; AFRALO GA ICANN59 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Bonjour, Merci Aziz pour ce message. Des discussions avaient été faites sur ce sujet. Pas d'objection pour moi. Cordialement, Ramanou 2017-07-16 23:43 GMT+02:00 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong <abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com<mailto:abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>>: Bonsoir à tous Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ; Merci On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com<mailto:petersomoragbon@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Mr. Aziz Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call. On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals. We oppose this motion. Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair --------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... _______________________________________________ AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG mailing list AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG@icann.org<mailto:AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/af-als-icann59-prog -- Cordialement --------------------------------- ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG Co-Fondateur ZIYARA Sarl E-mail:bachar@ziyara.td<mailto:E-mail%3Abachar@ziyara.td> http://www.ziyara.td https://twitter.com/bacharbong Tél:0023566274284<tel:+235%2066%2027%2042%2084> N'djaména(Tchad) --------------------------------- Le Secrétaire Exécutif Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ---------------------------------- The Executive Secretary Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad) E-mail1: Bachar@igf.td<mailto:Bachar@igf.td> E-mail2: info@igf.td<mailto:info@igf.td> Website: www.igf.td<http://www.igf.td> Twitter :IGFCHAD --------------------------------------------- |AFRINIC Fellow|ISOC CHAD Member|ICANN/AFRALO Member|NEXTGEN Fellow|GIVE1PROJECT MEMBER|IGFSA MEMBER|ACIEDD BOARD MEMBER|UN YOUTH DELEGATE - CHAD 2016|| _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... -- --BIAOU Ramanou-- --www.biaou.net<http://www.biaou.net>--
I'm extremely perplexed over this issue. If I remember correctly, the issue of individual membership, as well as other provisions discussed in Johannesburg, were to be referred to ROP. We all agreed to this. So I'm surprised the issue is coming up - yet again.I feel Pastor Peters is correct in saying the issue should go to ROP. We agreed on this. We accepted this decision, so why are we going back on it?So far, it looks as if we're being pressurizeded to accept individual membership. I'm not opposed to it if ALAC accepts it, but I feel it's being over-flogged by certain people on this forum who want it for selfish reasons. If we allow this to go without any opposition, other provisions in the ROP document will be imposed on us, creating a dangerous precedent.AFRALO Chairman should furnish us with documents showing this is a new ALAC policy. That is the democratic thing to do, considering many of us are used to this tradition in our respective countries, which I cannot say for others . If there's no ALAC position on this issue, the feeling that dictatorial tendencies exist within AFRLO will persist. The Chairman should provide proof on ALAC's position for us. If not, I continue to insist the issue should be referred to ROP.If we accept Aziz's position without any argument, we'll be sorry for it in the long run. Other unpopular positions will be pushed down our throat, and we'll be sorry for it. The time to show courage is NOW. The Chairman should provide PROOF. Then we can forge ahead. Regards,Adetokunbo Abiola abdibegabhingonne@gmail.com> To: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong <abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>; "biaous2002@gmail.com" <biaous2002@gmail.com> Cc: Afri-Discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; AFRALO GA ICANN59 <af-als-icann59-prog@icann.org> Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017, 6:12 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Bonjour, Nous ne voyons non plus d'objection. Avançons. Salut à tous, Gabdibé Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNÉ Coordinatrice de l'AEPF-Tchad B.P.: 6716, N'Djamena-Tchad Tel: (+235) 66 24 95 56/99 24 95 56 Mail: gabdibegabhingonne@gmail.com : associationaepf@gmail.com Skype : live:gabdibegabhingonne From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Ramanou S. BIAOU <biaous2002@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:55:26 PM To: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong Cc: Afri-Discuss; AFRALO GA ICANN59 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Bonjour,Merci Aziz pour ce message.Des discussions avaient été faites sur ce sujet.Pas d'objection pour moi. Cordialement,Ramanou 2017-07-16 23:43 GMT+02:00 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong <abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>: Bonsoir à tous Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ; Merci On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Mr. Aziz Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call. On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken.2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA.4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap.5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure?Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals. We oppose this motion. Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists. icann.org> wrote: <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/ display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regardsAziz HILALI AFRALO Chair--------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/ display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. CordialementAziz HilaliAFRALO Chair ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists. icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann. org/mailman/listinfo/afri- discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate:http://www.funredes.org/ mistica/english/emec/method_ emec/presentation.html#anexo1 ______________________________ _________________ AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG mailing list AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/ listinfo/af-als-icann59-prog -- Cordialement ------------------------------ --- ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG Co-Fondateur ZIYARA Sarl E-mail:bachar@ziyara.td http://www.ziyara.td https://twitter.com/bacharbong Tél:0023566274284 N'djaména(Tchad) ------------------------------ --- Le Secrétaire Exécutif Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------------------------------ ---- The Executive Secretary Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad) E-mail1: Bachar@igf.td E-mail2: info@igf.td Website: www.igf.td Twitter :IGFCHAD ------------------------------ --------------- |AFRINIC Fellow|ISOC CHAD Member|ICANN/AFRALO Member|NEXTGEN Fellow|GIVE1PROJECT MEMBER|IGFSA MEMBER|ACIEDD BOARD MEMBER|UN YOUTH DELEGATE - CHAD 2016|| ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists. icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann. org/mailman/listinfo/afri- discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate:http://www.funredes.org/ mistica/english/emec/method_ emec/presentation.html#anexo1 -- --BIAOU Ramanou-- --www.biaou.net--_______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a...
Chers frères et soeurs, Pourquoi cette fixation? les débats et les échanges que nous avons eus à Johannesburg et en ligne prouvent à suffisance que chacun de nous a eu et a la liberté de donner son point de vue sur cette question. Vouloir imposer son point de vu est aussi une autre forme de dictature. Évitons des propos qui divisent. Concentrons - nous sur ce qui nous fait grandir. Moi je ne vois pas un camp contre un autre... N'attendons pas de voter pour ou contre une proposition, soyons aussi capables de faire des propositions... Passons à l'étape suivante... Cordialement, Gabdibé Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNÉ Coordinatrice de l'AEPF-Tchad B.P.: 6716, N'Djamena-Tchad Tel: (+235) 66 24 95 56/99 24 95 56 Mail: gabdibegabhingonne@gmail.com : associationaepf@gmail.com Skype : live:gabdibegabhingonne ________________________________ From: TYokunbo Abiola <tyokunbo@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:32:29 PM To: Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE; Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong; biaous2002@gmail.com Cc: Afri-Discuss; AFRALO GA ICANN59 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation I'm extremely perplexed over this issue. If I remember correctly, the issue of individual membership, as well as other provisions discussed in Johannesburg, were to be referred to ROP. We all agreed to this. So I'm surprised the issue is coming up - yet again. I feel Pastor Peters is correct in saying the issue should go to ROP. We agreed on this. We accepted this decision, so why are we going back on it? So far, it looks as if we're being pressurizeded to accept individual membership. I'm not opposed to it if ALAC accepts it, but I feel it's being over-flogged by certain people on this forum who want it for selfish reasons. If we allow this to go without any opposition, other provisions in the ROP document will be imposed on us, creating a dangerous precedent. AFRALO Chairman should furnish us with documents showing this is a new ALAC policy. That is the democratic thing to do, considering many of us are used to this tradition in our respective countries, which I cannot say for others . If there's no ALAC position on this issue, the feeling that dictatorial tendencies exist within AFRLO will persist. The Chairman should provide proof on ALAC's position for us. If not, I continue to insist the issue should be referred to ROP. If we accept Aziz's position without any argument, we'll be sorry for it in the long run. Other unpopular positions will be pushed down our throat, and we'll be sorry for it. The time to show courage is NOW. The Chairman should provide PROOF. Then we can forge ahead. Regards, Adetokunbo Abiola abdibegabhingonne@gmail.com> To: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong <abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>; "biaous2002@gmail.com" <biaous2002@gmail.com> Cc: Afri-Discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; AFRALO GA ICANN59 <af-als-icann59-prog@icann.org> Sent: Monday, 17 July 2017, 6:12 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Bonjour, Nous ne voyons non plus d'objection. Avançons. Salut à tous, Gabdibé Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNÉ Coordinatrice de l'AEPF-Tchad B.P.: 6716, N'Djamena-Tchad Tel: (+235) 66 24 95 56/99 24 95 56 Mail: gabdibegabhingonne@gmail.com : associationaepf@gmail.com Skype : live:gabdibegabhingonne ________________________________ From: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Ramanou S. BIAOU <biaous2002@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:55:26 PM To: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong Cc: Afri-Discuss; AFRALO GA ICANN59 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AF-ALS-ICANN59-PROG] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Bonjour, Merci Aziz pour ce message. Des discussions avaient été faites sur ce sujet. Pas d'objection pour moi. Cordialement, Ramanou 2017-07-16 23:43 GMT+02:00 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong <abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com<mailto:abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com>>: Bonsoir à tous Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ; Merci On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com<mailto:petersomoragbon@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Mr. Aziz Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call. On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals. We oppose this motion. Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists. icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/ display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review<https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair --------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/ display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review<https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. 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Bonjour Cher Président Aziz, Bonjour à tous, Après lecture et analyse de la proposition portant :"La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai", ALS ISOC RDC apprecie et accepte cette proposition. Cordialement ! KINANGA YINDU Cedric ALS ISOC RDC Le 16 juil. 2017 22:43, "Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong" < abdeldjalil.bachar@gmail.com> a écrit :
Bonsoir à tous
Notre ALS ISOC Tchad n'a pas d'objection et nous soutenions la proposition du président Aziz ;
Merci
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 21:38 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Hi Peters, Fortunately and/or unfortunately, I did not see your mail when I raised the same line of questions earlier. It will be nice to hear what all the rush is all about. I remember vividly that even Mr. Tijani raised this particular aspect be accepted as approved by the house, majority rejected that motion and advised the Rules of Procedure be revisited afresh in all its entirety. That is the process I expect the exco to take even if there are any vested interest as being alleged. There is every probability that if individual members are taken on today, tomorrow, they will begin to cry for disfranchisement. @Seun You posited such individual will not have right to, will they have to be nominated into any office? I will suggest we all trend cautiously and take process of engagement into consideration ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria> PC Summit 2017 <http://www.pcsummit.com.ng>, December 7-8 @Federal Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos. *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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chair No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated. So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through. Kris
On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: <English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Information Mauritius. The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes. Even when Tijani tried to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for extension. This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership to be adopted. We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the entire house. That was the correct account. But the question now is why is Aziz pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence. We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put AFRALO first before self. The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but the resolutions would have to be respected before any change. Thanks Peters Omoragbon On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k@gmail.com> wrote:
chair
No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.
So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.
Kris
On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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On 17 Jul 2017, at 4:24 AM, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Information Mauritius.
The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes. Even when Tijani tried to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for extension. This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership to be adopted. We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the entire house. That was the correct account. But the question now is why is Aziz pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence. We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put AFRALO first before self.
The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but the resolutions would have to be respected before any change. Thanks Peters Omoragbon
On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k@gmail.com> wrote: chair
No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.
So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.
Kris
On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: <English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Let's be adult people with a certain amount of maturity, more specifically when we are discussing online. It is true that we already know each other physically. Reason more a maximum of tolerance in terms and terms that we use. We are not terrorist activists but we are supposed to represent a good bang in the user community. We are not in tow with anyone and still less influenced by inflammatory remarks. We must respect ourselves and this is a sign of basic education. We have been in jo'burg and the question of individual members has not been questioned. We have specific points that have necessitated a discussion in the working group. Freedom of expression is guaranteed but freedom is limited to a certain limit. Pastor Peters may have his reasons but it is necessary to raise the tone to a level as degrading as it can be. We are in a dynamic that responds to the logic of a systemic system where all the stakeholders have to find common ground. I urge more lucidity and understanding. When the majority votes, the minority has the right to express itself while accepting the logic of the way of the majority. *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *SECRETAIRE EXECUTIF FGI-IGF RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECICANN/AFRALO Member* *ISOC Member* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe@gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr 2017-07-17 2:24 GMT+01:00 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com>:
Information Mauritius.
The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes. Even when Tijani tried to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for extension. This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership to be adopted. We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the entire house. That was the correct account. But the question now is why is Aziz pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence. We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put AFRALO first before self.
The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but the resolutions would have to be respected before any change. Thanks Peters Omoragbon
On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k@gmail.com> wrote:
chair
No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.
So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.
Kris
On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Very well said, I agree with you Best regards 2017-07-18 15:00 GMT+00:00 Baudouin SCHOMBE <b.schombe@gmail.com>:
Let's be adult people with a certain amount of maturity, more specifically when we are discussing online. It is true that we already know each other physically. Reason more a maximum of tolerance in terms and terms that we use.
We are not terrorist activists but we are supposed to represent a good bang in the user community. We are not in tow with anyone and still less influenced by inflammatory remarks. We must respect ourselves and this is a sign of basic education.
We have been in jo'burg and the question of individual members has not been questioned. We have specific points that have necessitated a discussion in the working group. Freedom of expression is guaranteed but freedom is limited to a certain limit.
Pastor Peters may have his reasons but it is necessary to raise the tone to a level as degrading as it can be. We are in a dynamic that responds to the logic of a systemic system where all the stakeholders have to find common ground.
I urge more lucidity and understanding. When the majority votes, the minority has the right to express itself while accepting the logic of the way of the majority.
*SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN*
*SECRETAIRE EXECUTIF FGI-IGF RDC*
*COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECICANN/AFRALO Member* *ISOC Member* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 <+243%20998%20983%20491>/+243813684512 <+243%20813%20684%20512> email : b.schombe@gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr
2017-07-17 2:24 GMT+01:00 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com>:
Information Mauritius.
The decision of the GA presided over by Aziz and supported by both Tijani and Fatimata was for the ENTIRE recommendations to be revisted by the ROP Workgroup and then brought to the house for votes. Even when Tijani tried to push in the individual membership as having been concluded it was rejected by the house. They promised to work with the Icann staff for extension. This Tijani told the GA in the morning of Thursday that it was over. But in the afternoon he tried to push for the individual membership to be adopted. We opposed it. In fact Baduoine echoed the position of the entire house. That was the correct account. But the question now is why is Aziz pushing for that now and using ALAC as a defence. We will vote on all items but we must respect our rules and procedures and stop this band wagon support of every and anything pushed forward by an Aziz; Tijani; Bashir or Fatimata. Let us be objective for once and put AFRALO first before self.
The GA resolution cannot be modified or changed except by another GA but the resolutions would have to be respected before any change. Thanks Peters Omoragbon
On 17 Jul 2017 01:38, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k@gmail.com> wrote:
chair
No objection from isoc mauritius on that matter as I think we had a consensus on that matter and the roles and powers were hereto stated.
So from us no objection. We are in support. However if I am not wrong it is the second motion about votes that was not seen through.
Kris
On 17 Jul 2017, at 00:37, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Bonsoir Je crois que nous, en tant qu’ALS accréditées, nous sommes libres de nos décisions et nous agissons en toutes responsabilités. On n'est pas là pour faire plaisir à quelqu'un mais plutôt agir pour le bien être de notre organisation aux bénéfices de toute la communauté. Ce n'est pas parce que nous ne sommes pas d'accord avec quelqu'un qu'on doit nous critiquer. Je suis sincèrement désolé mais on nous fait perdre du temps inutilement ! Allons dans le sens de l'union et non de la division. Ces attaques et répliques favorisent des prises de positions partisanes qui nous divisent. La raison collective doit transcender en mon sens. Bonne compréhension ! 2017-07-16 20:37 GMT+00:00 Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com>:
Dear Mr. Aziz
Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my unavoidable absence during the last call.
On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken. 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA. So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest decision making body of AFRALO -the GA. 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be done asap. 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present pressure? Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the benefit of vested interests and individuals.
We oppose this motion.
Thank you. Pastor Peters Omoragbon
On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation. Warm greetings, Fatimata Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
Dear All, I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity. I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA. At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry? I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group? This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy. I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed. We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman. This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated. The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter. Thank you. *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK* *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC* *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC* *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK* *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO* *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Hello Pastor Peters, Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access: https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273 I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019). As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal. Regards Remmy ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria> PC Summit 2017 <http://www.pcsummit.com.ng>, December 7-8 @Federal Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos. *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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That is exactly my point. Why is the issue of individual membership such a big deal that we are leaving out more important issues that should unite us instead of pursuing what will divide us. If ALAC is recommending individual membership, did ALAC issue an ultimatum? Even if they did, why would they do that? Why is the chairman and all those in support not interested in other recommendations that were deliberately truncated at the GA in Joburg? Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way. Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group). I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. Thank you. Pastor Peters *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK* *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC* *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC* *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK* *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO* *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
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On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way. SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this). Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group). SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear: 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below) 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well. 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman. Thanks Thank you. Pastor Peters *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK* *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC* *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC* *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK* *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO* *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda.Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji<seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way. SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this). Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group). SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear: 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below) 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well. 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman. Thanks Thank you.Pastor Peters Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON -Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK -Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC -Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC -International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK -Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO -Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO -General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change -Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN -Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote: SeunIf the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Pastor Peters, Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that.The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access: https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019). As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity. I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA. At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry? I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group? This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers.As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy. I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed. We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman. This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated. The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter. Thank you. Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON -Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK -Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC -Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC -International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK -Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO -Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO -General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change -Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN -Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote: I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation. Warm greetings,Fatimata Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit : <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regardsAziz HILALI AFRALO Chair--------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. CordialementAziz HilaliAFRALO Chair -- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1
Bonjour, Pas d'objection pour moi. Merci 2017-07-17 11:17 GMT+02:00 peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com>:
Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda. Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way.
SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group).
SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well.
3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
Thanks
Thank you. Pastor Peters
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Dear Pastor Peters, all, I hope this email finds you well. Seun has already responded to most of the questions but let me just add a little bit more information as you requested. During our last AFRALO monthly call last week (attended by 35 people), the issue was brought up again, as Aziz informed us that Alan Greenberg (ALAC Chair) had written to him and referred to the At-Large Review and the need for all RALOs to allow individual unaffiliated members. The At-Large community was against some of the recommendations made by the review, among which include the Empowered Membership Model. As you can see, this is not just in AFRALO but the other RALOs as well. Some of the RALOs already accept unaffiliated members. The recording of the last call has been posted in English and French here https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+AFRALO+Monthly+Telecon.... Also, during the call, the recommendation could have easily passed but some members felt that those not in attendance that day needed to be given an opportunity to have an input. From the responses, I don't think a vote would change results that much. Please also see the RALO response on the At-Large review https://atlarge.icann.org/pt/advice_statements/9975 and note that all RALOs support the idea. A ratification vote was also conducted and notice that there is very little [or even no] objection. In addition to this, AFRALO developed a statement https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/hilali-to-icann-15mar17... on the same and input was sought from the mailing list. Regarding why individual members will not have voting rights, since this is something new, it was decided that we start out like this but then review the idea after 2 years. At that point, members may decide if they want to give individual members voting powers as well. I hope this information will suffice. Otherwise, I am happy to answer any other questions. Regards, Sarah On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, peters omoragbon < petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda. Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way.
SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group).
SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well.
3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
Thanks
Thank you. Pastor Peters
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On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
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On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Thank you Sarah for the well articulated email. The links provide a good starting point for us who missed the calls and offer clear views from other RALOS. We hope this email clears the doubts Regards Esther Patricia On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Pastor Peters, all,
I hope this email finds you well. Seun has already responded to most of the questions but let me just add a little bit more information as you requested.
During our last AFRALO monthly call last week (attended by 35 people), the issue was brought up again, as Aziz informed us that Alan Greenberg (ALAC Chair) had written to him and referred to the At-Large Review and the need for all RALOs to allow individual unaffiliated members. The At-Large community was against some of the recommendations made by the review, among which include the Empowered Membership Model.
As you can see, this is not just in AFRALO but the other RALOs as well. Some of the RALOs already accept unaffiliated members. The recording of the last call has been posted in English and French here https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+ AFRALO+Monthly+Teleconference. Also, during the call, the recommendation could have easily passed but some members felt that those not in attendance that day needed to be given an opportunity to have an input. From the responses, I don't think a vote would change results that much.
Please also see the RALO response on the At-Large review https://atlarge.icann.org/pt/advice_statements/9975 and note that all RALOs support the idea. A ratification vote was also conducted and notice that there is very little [or even no] objection. In addition to this, AFRALO developed a statement https://www.icann.org/en/ system/files/correspondence/hilali-to-icann-15mar17-en.pdf on the same and input was sought from the mailing list.
Regarding why individual members will not have voting rights, since this is something new, it was decided that we start out like this but then review the idea after 2 years. At that point, members may decide if they want to give individual members voting powers as well.
I hope this information will suffice. Otherwise, I am happy to answer any other questions.
Regards,
Sarah
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, peters omoragbon < petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda. Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon
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On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way.
SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group).
SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well.
3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
Thanks
Thank you. Pastor Peters
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Bonjour à tous. Pas d'objection venant de notre ALS. Dans tous les cas, l'ICANN a prévu un processus de révision des textes. Essayons d'abord la formule proposée et on avisera en 2019 ou avant, si nécessaire. Mes 2 xof. Cordiales et fraternelles salutations Olevie Le 17 juil. 2017 11:06, "Patricia Akello" <ekisesta@gmail.com> a écrit :
Thank you Sarah for the well articulated email. The links provide a good starting point for us who missed the calls and offer clear views from other RALOS.
We hope this email clears the doubts
Regards Esther Patricia
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Pastor Peters, all,
I hope this email finds you well. Seun has already responded to most of the questions but let me just add a little bit more information as you requested.
During our last AFRALO monthly call last week (attended by 35 people), the issue was brought up again, as Aziz informed us that Alan Greenberg (ALAC Chair) had written to him and referred to the At-Large Review and the need for all RALOs to allow individual unaffiliated members. The At-Large community was against some of the recommendations made by the review, among which include the Empowered Membership Model.
As you can see, this is not just in AFRALO but the other RALOs as well. Some of the RALOs already accept unaffiliated members. The recording of the last call has been posted in English and French here https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+AFRALO +Monthly+Teleconference. Also, during the call, the recommendation could have easily passed but some members felt that those not in attendance that day needed to be given an opportunity to have an input. From the responses, I don't think a vote would change results that much.
Please also see the RALO response on the At-Large review https://atlarge.icann.org/pt/advice_statements/9975 and note that all RALOs support the idea. A ratification vote was also conducted and notice that there is very little [or even no] objection. In addition to this, AFRALO developed a statement https://www.icann.org/en/syste m/files/correspondence/hilali-to-icann-15mar17-en.pdf on the same and input was sought from the mailing list.
Regarding why individual members will not have voting rights, since this is something new, it was decided that we start out like this but then review the idea after 2 years. At that point, members may decide if they want to give individual members voting powers as well.
I hope this information will suffice. Otherwise, I am happy to answer any other questions.
Regards,
Sarah
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, peters omoragbon < petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda. Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way.
SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group).
SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well.
3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
Thanks
Thank you. Pastor Peters
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
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*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
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On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...>
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Hello everyone,A very good day to you and wishing us all a fruitful week. I wish to state that while the conditions for individual membership is proposed for further discussion in 2019, it is good for us to hold our peace and let all other parts of the recommendations which have no issues go through. However, I also wish to reiterate that the individual issues as far as I am concern should be carefully handled for the sake of sustaining the legacies of the body in a couple of years as we know that power corrupts and I really do hope that the intentions are right for the justification of 'allowing this subject" to scale through at any level. I express this as a foresight and curiosity with all objectivity of few observations I had at the ICANN event at Johannesburg and I humbly plead that we should be deliberate at making the system of AFRALO work beyond and individual interests or otherwise. I love this family. God bless. Hassan Omowunmi, PhD President/CEOHigh Tech Centre for Nigerian Women and Youthswww.hightechwomen.org.ng&Managing Director/CEOHOJOB Consults Ltd Block 3, F5 Street, Citec Mbora EstateJabi Airport Road, AbujaMobile: +234-803 424 1874 From: peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> To: "seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Cc: afri-discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017, 21:17 Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation Thank you Seun. Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship. Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong. Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal agenda.Time will tell. I'm watching Pastor Peters Omoragbon Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji<seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way. SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this). Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group). SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear: 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below) 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other RALOs will be reported as well. 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman. Thanks Thank you.Pastor Peters Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON -Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK -Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC -Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC -International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK -Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO -Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO -General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change -Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN -Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote: SeunIf the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal. RegardsRemmy ____REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [Multiple-award winning medium] (DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet)Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria PC Summit 2017, December 7-8 @Federal Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos. *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)______________________________ ______________________________ _____ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Pastor Peters, Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that.The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access: https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273 I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019). As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity. I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA. At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry? I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group? This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers.As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy. I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed. We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman. This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated. The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter. Thank you. Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON -Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK -Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC -Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC -International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK -Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO -Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO -General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change -Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN -Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote: I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation. Warm greetings,Fatimata Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit : <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regardsAziz HILALI AFRALO Chair--------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. CordialementAziz HilaliAFRALO Chair -- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 ______________________________ _________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.ica nn.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.or g/mailman/listinfo/afri-discus s Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistic a/english/emec/method_emec/pre sentation.html#anexo1 _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a...
Dear all, I am relatively new to Afralo, however I have keenly followed the discussions on individual membership and in full support of Individual membership. Regarding Peters concerns, I hope they can be addressed really soon and I hope that he is open minded enough to engage in an amiable discussion. The Boldness of his emails allude to some unfinished business. Peters- Without making the email very *Big* and *Bold* we can still read the content(Am sorry I get very uncomfortable with these kind of emails- Personal opinion). lets have discussions with mutual respect for one another . Regards Esther Patricia On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon@gmail.com
wrote:
That is exactly my point. Why is the issue of individual membership such a big deal that we are leaving out more important issues that should unite us instead of pursuing what will divide us. If ALAC is recommending individual membership, did ALAC issue an ultimatum? Even if they did, why would they do that? Why is the chairman and all those in support not interested in other recommendations that were deliberately truncated at the GA in Joburg? Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting this way. Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your mail was to the group). I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me. Thank you. Pastor Peters
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC*
*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC*
*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK*
*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO*
*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Hello Remmy, Am not sure of the controversy it may steer nor the time bomb referred, do you mind clarifying your line of thought on that? As to the line of thought for The main thing is that we need to formerly allow individuals participate in AtLarge(apart from the fact that the AtLarge review strongly recommended it). I actually think that it's indeed better not to add all ALS currently known rights to a new membership at a go but do so gradually so one can observe how effective it is while giving the voting rights a more deeper thought. Am sure people will have perhaps screemed if individual have same voting rights as ALSes (I certainly would have). I hope that clarifies things Bro, especially the bomb part ;-) Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 17, 2017 12:04 AM, "Remmy Nweke" <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in the near I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
Regards Remmy
____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria> PC Summit 2017 <http://www.pcsummit.com.ng>, December 7-8 @Federal Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos.
*Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Pastor Peters,
Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights for that. The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I am pasting it below for easy access:
https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273
I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way. Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity.
I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group?
This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question
Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
Thank you.
*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK*
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On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Hi Chair, Can peters concerns be addressed for the sake of transparency? I am 50/50 on this at the moment. Cheers, Noah On 17 Jul 2017 1:14 a.m., "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings for posterity. I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA. At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry? I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest of the entire group? This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may want to elect new officers. As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy. I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed. We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman. This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated. The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my question Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter. Thank you. *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON* *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United Kingdom-CANUK* *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-ECOSOC* *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change-UNFCCC* *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-NNCA-UK* *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations-CONGO* *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO* *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change* *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN* *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest* On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned recommendation.
Warm greetings, Fatimata
Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Member ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre
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Dear Aziz, Thanks for your mail, as you rightly noted the individual membership was well discussed during the GA and had not issues. Other recommendations were the ones that had issues hence I agree that we don't have to let this one wait unnecessarily. Not just because its important we have this kind of membership but also because the At-Large review requires it to be done. I support your suggestion as proposed. Regards 2017-07-16 21:04 GMT+01:00 Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr>:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Dear Aziz, dear all, I agree with this recommendation. I believe it will bring positive results to AFRALO and At-Large. Thank you, Sarah Le dim. 16 juil. 2017 à 23:06, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Hi Aziz Thanks for the mail. I would like to request any link to the "ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, which task RALOs with ensuring individual membership." Outside the proposed line of statement, what will now be the modus for accepting members into RALOs? Thanks for responding. Remmy ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News <http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews>; ITREALMS <http://www.itrealms.com.ng>, NaijaAgroNet <http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng>) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms <http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria <https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria> PC Summit 2017 <http://www.pcsummit.com.ng>, December 7-8 @Federal Palace, Victoria Island, Lagos. *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS <http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/>) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. 2017-07-16 21:04 GMT+01:00 Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Chair, No objection. Thanks Bram Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jul 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: <English> Dear Members, As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with. As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements. For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial" I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation. Kindly provide your response within 72hrs Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair --------------------------- <French> Chers membres, D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder. Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large. Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO... Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai». En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée. Prière répondre dans les 72 heures. Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a...
Despite the fact the discussion is going on. I support the Individual membership but we should not just brush out Pastor Peters comment/remarks. We must value our AFRALO and understand the ROP. We are over 50 ALS and have seen engagement taking place, Is there a metric of the impact created by ALS to the community and to drive participation in the PDP process? AFRALO is limited by the fact that membership has been restricted to ALS reps, let cast our vote to support Individual membership to enhance the African Participation in the different respective processes. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Bram Fudzulani <beatblam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Chair, No objection.
Thanks Bram
Sent from my iPhone
On 16 Jul 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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On 17 Jul 2017 7:01 a.m., "DANIEL NANGHAKA" <dndannang@gmail.com> wrote: Despite the fact the discussion is going on. I support the Individual membership but we should not just brush out Pastor Peters comment/remarks. We must value our AFRALO and understand the ROP. +1 which is why as much as the majority are for individual membership, its important that concerns of the few also get addressed. We are over 50 ALS and have seen engagement taking place, Is there a metric of the impact created by ALS to the community and to drive participation in the PDP process? AFRALO is limited by the fact that membership has been restricted to ALS reps, let cast our vote to support Individual membership to enhance the African Participation in the different respective +1 daniel and whatever concerns folk might have, lets also those in leadership address them as we move forward. Cheers Noah
Suis d'abord . Mes excuses pour le retard car j'étais en voyage depuis samedi matin. Gabriel Le 16 juil. 2017 23:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Hi everyone, Though i didn't fully take part in the GA meeting, due to other committments (and i am sorry for that), i always had the feeling that individual members should be given some level of rights in Afralo to allow more effective participation from individuals as well. I was glad when the review strongly asked for it. I am also in support that they should be given rights gradually. I hereby give my support to this call by the Chair. Also and very important, i call on the Chair to quickly respond to Peters quieries who, as an effective member, has that right to be heard and his concerns raised. I always encourage this type of reactions which gives the community another lecture of the matter under discussion and this should be encouraged. Seun, thanks for sharing your thoughts but as you stated, you are not responding on behalf of the Chair, so we hope to hear from him before the expiration of the deadline he gave. I would also strongly request the ROP chair to be timely in calling on meetings on important issues. I have joined the working group but i am yet to receive an invitation to the discussion around the tenure as well as on this specific subject of membership. Regards, Arsene ----------------- Arsène Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
On Jul 17, 2017, at 6:07 AM, Gabriel BOMBAMBO Boseko <gbombambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Suis d'abord . Mes excuses pour le retard car j'étais en voyage depuis samedi matin.
Gabriel
Le 16 juil. 2017 23:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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Dea Chair Aziz I support the individual membership and thus your amendment to item 7. Best regards Said Le dim. 16 juil. 2017 à 23:07, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
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Dear Colleagues, Let us exercise sobriety while raising our concerns and avoid casting aspersions regarding positions taken by others that may not be in line with our positions. In any democracy the majority will always have their way and the minority their say. The Rules of Procedure working group has been meeting for a long time and it has been reporting its progress during the monthly meetings. Before the GA, participation of members during the monthly meetings has been appalling to say the least even though most members are aware of the monthly meeting. We cannot blame the Chairman or Secretariat for the same. Those who have made time for the meetings have often debated on the issues and agreed on compromises i believe we should maintain the same spirit and respect each others positions. Let us separate issues from personalities and address them based on merit. Thank you Best Regards On 7/17/17, Said Mchangama <smchangama@gmail.com> wrote:
Dea Chair Aziz
I support the individual membership and thus your amendment to item 7.
Best regards
Said
Le dim. 16 juil. 2017 à 23:07, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+RO...
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
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Bonjour Pas d'objection monsieur le président. Bonne et agréable semaine Aïcha Abbad AFADEC - AFRALO Le 16 juillet 2017 à 22:04, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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+1 Aziz, agree for individuals members Le 16 juillet 2017 à 21:04, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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-- BAUDOUIN SCHOMBE +243813684512 +243998983491 SKYPE ID: b.schombe twitter: @akimambo blog: http://akimambo.unblog.fr
Bonjour à tous, Nous approuvons la proposition. Merci. ALS Femmes & TIC de Côte d'Ivoire. -- Christelle N'CHO ASSIROU Présidente www.femmes-tic.org Le 16 juil. 2017 8:07 PM, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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*Chèr ami Tijani* *Joyeux anniversaire avec mes souhaits de bonheur et de joie de vivre; bien sur avec une grande place au monde virtuel !!!* *Merci pour tous ce que tu fais pour AFRALO soit pour l'Afrique, pour ton soutien, ta disponibilité et ta générosité du cœur avec tous les membres d'AFRALO et dans la communauté ICANN.* *Amitiés* *Aïcha Abbad* *AFADEC - Maroc* *AFRALO* Le 16 juillet 2017 à 22:04, Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss < afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
<English>
Dear Members,
As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints. In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with At-Large reviews requirements.
For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows: The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018 experience. I propose to modify it in this way: "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as presented in the above recommendation.
Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
Best regards Aziz HILALI AFRALO Chair ---------------------------
<French>
Chers membres,
D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle: https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+ Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
Le point 7 de la recommandation dit: La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018. Je propose de le modifier pour devenir: «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la période d’essai».
En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
Cordialement Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair
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participants (29)
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Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong -
aicha abbaad -
Ali Hussein -
Arsène Tungali -
Aziz Hilali -
Bakary Kouyate -
Barrack Otieno -
BAUDOUIN SCHOMBE -
Baudouin SCHOMBE -
Bram Fudzulani -
CEDRIC KINANGA -
Christelle N'CHO -
DANIEL NANGHAKA -
Fatimata Seye Sylla -
Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNE -
Gabriel BOMBAMBO Boseko -
Guiguemde Jacques Rodrigue -
Hassan Wunmi -
Kris Seeburn -
Noah -
Olévié Kouami -
Patricia Akello -
Peters Omoragbon -
Ramanou S. BIAOU -
Remmy Nweke -
Said Mchangama -
Sarah Kiden -
Seun Ojedeji -
TYokunbo Abiola