Thank you Aziz, I know this statement was released a while ago, and we should have weighed in on it on time. I am guilty as charged.

From the draft, I can see we have weighed in more on the transparency and accountability track, and the naming function of the IANA transition. We need to be balanced and "wholesome" in our statement. It would have been good if the community can also comment on the transition of the other two operational communities proposals, the IETF and the Numbering community. We all agree these are part of the "Internet unique Identifiers".

I will draft a paragraph or two on the numbering functions. Perhaps, we can have somebody else do the same for the IETF proposal? However, I disagree with this statement on IANA trademarks: "We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assests (sic) including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN)" My observation would be to allow more dialogue between the three operational communities (names, numbers, protocol parameters) that utilize the IPR (iana.org and IANA trademarks), and ensure there is consensus on what to do with them. You will realize the numbering community had proposed the IPRs remain in the public domain by being transferred to a neutral entity which would then license the IPRs to the IFO to serve the operational communities in perpetuity for free. The idea was, in the unlikely event in future one community decides to transfer the IANA functions related to them, then they should still be able to access the IPR unrestricted. So the statement should have read something like "More dialogue is needed between the three operational communities (names, numbers, and protocol parameters) on transfer of IANA assets including the IANA trademark and iana.org domain. The community should ensure there is consensus in the final outcome." Sincerely, NB: Sent in my personal capacity. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 18 June 2015 at 09:00, Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Aziz,

It is good for this information and I have gone through the draft. I will share my comments if I find something from this side.

Regards, Matogoro Jabhera Secretary - ISOC Tanzania Chapter

On 6/18/15, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> wrote:

...

[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".

You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.

[French]

Chers collègues,

AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".

En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.

Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.

Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair

-- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz) _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann

Noted Seun Sent from Windows Mail From: Seun Ojedeji Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎June‎ ‎18‎, ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎52‎ ‎AM To: Mwendwa Kivuva Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN list; Afrinic-discuss Hello Mwendwa, On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Thank you Aziz, I know this statement was released a while ago, and we should have weighed in on it on time. I am guilty as charged. From the draft, I can see we have weighed in more on the transparency and accountability track, and the naming function of the IANA transition. We need to be balanced and "wholesome" in our statement. It would have been good if the community can also comment on the transition of the other two operational communities proposals, the IETF and the Numbering community. We all agree these are part of the "Internet unique Identifiers". I will draft a paragraph or two on the numbering functions. Perhaps, we can have somebody else do the same for the IETF proposal? +1 will be good to have those as well, one of the reasons it was titled that way is because of the proposal of the CWG which actually proposes a new IFO for the 3 operational communities. However, I disagree with this statement on IANA trademarks: "We observe that the CWG proposes to transfer IANA assests (sic) including the IANA trademarks; we are in disagreement with this as we will prefer that the trademarks remain with the contractor post-transition (which is ICANN)" My observation would be to allow more dialogue between the three operational communities (names, numbers, protocol parameters) that utilize the IPR (iana.org and IANA trademarks), and ensure there is consensus on what to do with them. You will realize the numbering community had proposed the IPRs remain in the public domain by being transferred to a neutral entity which would then license the IPRs to the IFO to serve the operational communities in perpetuity for free. The idea was, in the unlikely event in future one community decides to transfer the IANA functions related to them, then they should still be able to access the IPR unrestricted. As you have rightly noted, the numbers community has proposed something different. I think what is important is that the AFRALO/AfriCANN community proposes what they prefer as well. There is obviously going to be need for the 3 communities to agree on quite a number of things based on the CWG proposal and i think its better to leave that to the ICG to coordinate. So while we may recommend the need for the 3 operational communities to coordinate, its also important we state our preference as a community. You may also note that this approach is synonymous to the numbers community proposal as well. So the statement should have read something like "More dialogue is needed between the three operational communities (names, numbers, and protocol parameters) on transfer of IANA assets including the IANA trademark and iana.org domain. The community should ensure there is consensus in the final outcome." I think we could add an overall statement like above (not just for trademarks) but not remove our preferred preference. If majority of our community prefers transferring to IETF trust as the CRISP team recommended then we could specifically state that instead. Regards Sincerely, NB: Sent in my personal capacity. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 18 June 2015 at 09:00, Matogoro Jabera <jaberamatogoro@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Aziz, It is good for this information and I have gone through the draft. I will share my comments if I find something from this side. Regards, Matogoro Jabhera Secretary - ISOC Tanzania Chapter On 6/18/15, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> wrote:

[English] Dear colleagues, AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN during the ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the members of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet unique identifiers".

You will find attached the draft statement in English (French translation is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015. Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.

[French]

Chers collègues,

AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO / AfrICANN lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à Buenos Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de vue africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".

En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise sur la liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura lieu à Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.

Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le Samedi 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.

Best Regards Aziz Hilali AFRALO Chair

-- MATOGORO Jabhera Assistant Lecturer & Coordinator - Microsoft Innovation Center, Tanzania College of Informatics and Virtual Education The University of Dodoma (www.udom.ac.tz) _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.afralo.org Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to this list are more accurate: http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng The key to understanding is humility - my view !