Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
Hello all, First it's a +1 from me on Victor's first suggestion of updating the theme to reflect that fact that it's an oversight transition. On your second point @Victor I think I understand your view which is simply saying "...why mention it when the deed has been done" this also came up during the drafting and just like Tijani has said, the motive behind the inclusion is not to change the composition but rather to ensure that the imbalance nature of the ICG does not influence decision making within the group. Kind regards sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 22 Sep 2014 23:55, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> wrote:
Victor,
The mechanisms to ensure participation from all interested stakeholders are now well defined in the charter and the RFP. They couldn’t be improved as you say.
There is no regional representation in the ICG. As for Africans on IGC, we have some including Mohamed El Bashir, the AFRALO Vice Chair who was elected Vice Chair of the ICG. With Mohamed, we have Adiel, Manel Ismail (GAC), and I think Mary Uduma (ccNSO). This is not an exhaustive list, but just those who I remember. I don’t think we have to complain because we are not represented: as I said, no region is represented. Mohamed is reporting regularly to ALAC since he was appointed by ALAC, Adiel is reporting to AFRINIC list, and I’m sure the others are doing so with their constituencies.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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De : Victor Ndonnang [mailto:ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz] Envoyé : lundi 22 septembre 2014 17:46 À : <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> Cc : Aziz Hilali; ALAC Afrique Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
Hi Tijani,
I think "composition of the ICG" and "mechanisms to ensure participation from all interested stakeholders" are two different things. The first one is done but the second one is not done yet.
There was a long discussion during the first meeting of the ICG on the "balanced composition" which ended by granting 5 seats to the GAC... I wonder where was the African community at that time...I think we should express regrets and "delayed views" on something that started without us but not on something that started with us. This is my personal view.
On the second issue, I believe improvements can be made moving forward. Mechanisms to ensure inputs and participation from all interested stakeholders can be improved until the end of the process. And we should propose concrete solutions to do so rather than just saying it.
I think we should try to answer the following questions and propose ways to improvement:
- are there some interested stakeholders from Africa willing to participate in the process but who simple can't because of lack of understanding and means to support their participation? If yes, how can we or ICANN improve that?
- African members of the ICG are not representing enough the views and concerns of the African Internet community? Are they interacting enough with the communities they represented?
-etc
The work of the ICG is to coordinate and not to do the entire work by itself; based on that we can always make your views heard (if any) even if we don't have a "representative" in the ICG.
I just trying to make our declaration useful...
Once again those views are personal views which can differ with the views of the African community.
Best regards,
Victor.
************
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:47 AM, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" < tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> wrote:
Coming back to the document itself, I think the topic of the composition of the IANA Coordination Group has already been discussed and “closed”; so for me the paragraph on our declaration about the “unbalanced composition of the ICG is not important. The ICG’s work is open and open to comments; we should rather recommend that mechanisms are put in place to ensure that every interested parties have a chance to contribute and make their concerns heard moving forward.
I disagree. The unbalanced composition is a main point. We should express our regret despite the fact that it is done and nothing can be done to remediate it. Also, mechanisms to ensure that every interested party can contribute are already decided on, and nothing can be done to change them. This is to express the views of the African Community.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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-----Message d'origine----- De : afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Victor Ndonnang Envoyé : dimanche 21 septembre 2014 17:30 À : 'Aziz Hilali'; 'AfrICANN list'; 'ALAC Afrique' Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
Hi Aziz,
Thank you for sharing and my +1 to the “drafting team”.
Once again, I would like to come back on my suggestion of readjusting the title of theme of our jojnt meeting; I know It is not a big deal but It is often said: “Everything is in the title”. As far as the ongoing work is not to transition IANA functions but IANA’s stewardship, I think It is important we let that comes out on the title of our meeting. For this purpose, I suggest once again to edit the title as follow: “IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability seen by the African Community”. Sorry for insisting on it and apologize if I’m wrong; may be the USGOV/NTIA announcement has some hidden ramifications or implications with include IANA functions to transition from actual hands to another’s.
Coming back to the document itself, I think the topic of the composition of the IANA Coordination Group has already been discussed and “closed”; so for me the paragraph on our declaration about the “unbalanced composition of the ICG is not important. The ICG’s work is open and open to comments; we should rather recommend that mechanisms are put in place to ensure that every interested parties have a chance to contribute and make their concerns heard moving forward.
Thank you once again.
Best regards,
Victor Ndonnang.
From: africann-bounces@afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Aziz Hilali
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:12 AM
To: AfrICANN list; ALAC Afrique
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
[English]
Dear all,
Following my email of 20 August on the theme of our next joint meeting AFRALO / AfrICANN to be held on ""IANA Transition and ICANN Accountability seen by the African Community”, I am pleased to submit you the draft statement (in French and English) of the meeting to be held in LA, on Wednesday, Oct. 15 (14.00-15.30) < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...>
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C... .
Would you please provide your comments on this draft (before Friday, September 27, 2014), to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
PS: Many thanks to the drafting committee composed of : Fatimata Seye Sylla, Seun Ojedeji, Tijani BEN JEMAA, Hadja Sanon, Aziz Hilali, Ben Fuller, Mohamed El Bashir, Barrack Otieno et Said Mchangama.
[Français]
Chers tous,
Suite à mon email du 20 Août sur le thème de notre prochaine réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN qui se tiendra sur le thème "Transition de l’IANA et Redevabilité de l'ICANN vues par la Communauté Africaine", j’ai le plaisir de vous faire parvenir le projet de déclaration (français et anglais) de la réunion qui aura lieu à LA, le mercredi 15 Octobre (14h00-15h30), < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...>
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C... .
Je vous prie de nous transmettre vos remarques sur ce projet (avant le vendredi 27 septembre 2014) pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
PS : Mes vifs remerciements au comité de rédaction composé de : Fatimata Seye Sylla, Seun Ojedeji, Tijani BEN JEMAA, Hadja Sanon, Aziz Hilali, Ben Fuller, Mohamed El Bashir, Barrack Otieno et Said Mchangama.
Best Regards
============================
Aziz Hilali
Chair of AFRALO
B.P. 68 04, Medinat Al Irfane, Rabat - Maroc
Téléphone: + 212. 6 61 40 15 15
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Hi Colleagues, I agree with Tijani's comments even though Victor also has a point. My humble view is majority of the people in our region seem to be having a challenge understanding what is at stake and why they should participate in this process, this is what we need to bring out in our discussions. Best Regard On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
First it's a +1 from me on Victor's first suggestion of updating the theme to reflect that fact that it's an oversight transition. On your second point @Victor I think I understand your view which is simply saying "...why mention it when the deed has been done" this also came up during the drafting and just like Tijani has said, the motive behind the inclusion is not to change the composition but rather to ensure that the imbalance nature of the ICG does not influence decision making within the group.
Kind regards
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 22 Sep 2014 23:55, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> wrote:
Victor,
The mechanisms to ensure participation from all interested stakeholders are now well defined in the charter and the RFP. They couldn’t be improved as you say.
There is no regional representation in the ICG. As for Africans on IGC, we have some including Mohamed El Bashir, the AFRALO Vice Chair who was elected Vice Chair of the ICG. With Mohamed, we have Adiel, Manel Ismail (GAC), and I think Mary Uduma (ccNSO). This is not an exhaustive list, but just those who I remember. I don’t think we have to complain because we are not represented: as I said, no region is represented. Mohamed is reporting regularly to ALAC since he was appointed by ALAC, Adiel is reporting to AFRINIC list, and I’m sure the others are doing so with their constituencies.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tijani BEN JEMAA
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
De : Victor Ndonnang [mailto:ndonnang@nvconsulting.biz] Envoyé : lundi 22 septembre 2014 17:46 À : <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> Cc : Aziz Hilali; ALAC Afrique Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
Hi Tijani,
I think "composition of the ICG" and "mechanisms to ensure participation from all interested stakeholders" are two different things. The first one is done but the second one is not done yet.
There was a long discussion during the first meeting of the ICG on the "balanced composition" which ended by granting 5 seats to the GAC... I wonder where was the African community at that time...I think we should express regrets and "delayed views" on something that started without us but not on something that started with us. This is my personal view.
On the second issue, I believe improvements can be made moving forward. Mechanisms to ensure inputs and participation from all interested stakeholders can be improved until the end of the process. And we should propose concrete solutions to do so rather than just saying it.
I think we should try to answer the following questions and propose ways to improvement:
- are there some interested stakeholders from Africa willing to participate in the process but who simple can't because of lack of understanding and means to support their participation? If yes, how can
we
or ICANN improve that?
- African members of the ICG are not representing enough the views and concerns of the African Internet community? Are they interacting enough with the communities they represented?
-etc
The work of the ICG is to coordinate and not to do the entire work by itself; based on that we can always make your views heard (if any) even if we don't have a "representative" in the ICG.
I just trying to make our declaration useful...
Once again those views are personal views which can differ with the views of the African community.
Best regards,
Victor.
************
Victor Ndonnang
<https://mobile.twitter.com/VictorNdonnang> https://twitter.com/VictorNdonnang
~Sent from my iPhone~
On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:47 AM, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" < tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> wrote:
Coming back to the document itself, I think the topic of the composition of the IANA Coordination Group has already been discussed and “closed”; so for me the paragraph on our declaration about the “unbalanced composition of the ICG is not important. The ICG’s work is open and open to comments; we should rather recommend that mechanisms are put in place to ensure that every interested parties have a chance to contribute and make their concerns heard moving forward.
I disagree. The unbalanced composition is a main point. We should express our regret despite the fact that it is done and nothing can be done to remediate it. Also, mechanisms to ensure that every interested party can contribute are already decided on, and nothing can be done to change them. This is to express the views of the African Community.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tijani BEN JEMAA
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----Message d'origine----- De : afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Victor Ndonnang Envoyé : dimanche 21 septembre 2014 17:30 À : 'Aziz Hilali'; 'AfrICANN list'; 'ALAC Afrique' Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
Hi Aziz,
Thank you for sharing and my +1 to the “drafting team”.
Once again, I would like to come back on my suggestion of readjusting the title of theme of our jojnt meeting; I know It is not a big deal but It
is
often said: “Everything is in the title”. As far as the ongoing work is not to transition IANA functions but IANA’s stewardship, I think It is important we let that comes out on the title of our meeting. For this purpose, I suggest once again to edit the title as follow: “IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability seen by the African Community”. Sorry for insisting on it and apologize if I’m wrong; may be the USGOV/NTIA announcement has some hidden ramifications or implications with include IANA functions to transition from actual hands to another’s.
Coming back to the document itself, I think the topic of the composition of the IANA Coordination Group has already been discussed and “closed”; so for me the paragraph on our declaration about the “unbalanced composition of the ICG is not important. The ICG’s work is open and open to comments; we should rather recommend that mechanisms are put in place to ensure that every interested parties have a chance to contribute and make their concerns heard moving forward.
Thank you once again.
Best regards,
Victor Ndonnang.
From: africann-bounces@afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces@afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Aziz Hilali
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:12 AM
To: AfrICANN list; ALAC Afrique
Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Statment of the joint meeting of African community
[English]
Dear all,
Following my email of 20 August on the theme of our next joint meeting AFRALO / AfrICANN to be held on ""IANA Transition and ICANN Accountability seen by the African Community”, I am pleased to submit you the draft statement (in French and English) of the meeting to be held in LA, on Wednesday, Oct. 15 (14.00-15.30) <
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...
.
Would you please provide your comments on this draft (before Friday, September 27, 2014), to allow us to include them before printing the final version and then distribute it to the participants in the meeting for discussion, modification if any and adoption.
PS: Many thanks to the drafting committee composed of : Fatimata Seye Sylla, Seun Ojedeji, Tijani BEN JEMAA, Hadja Sanon, Aziz Hilali, Ben Fuller, Mohamed El Bashir, Barrack Otieno et Said Mchangama.
[Français]
Chers tous,
Suite à mon email du 20 Août sur le thème de notre prochaine réunion conjointe AFRALO/AfrICANN qui se tiendra sur le thème "Transition de l’IANA et Redevabilité de l'ICANN vues par la Communauté Africaine", j’ai le plaisir de vous faire parvenir le projet de déclaration (français et anglais) de la réunion qui aura lieu à LA, le mercredi 15 Octobre (14h00-15h30), <
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Wednesday%2C...
.
Je vous prie de nous transmettre vos remarques sur ce projet (avant le vendredi 27 septembre 2014) pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la réunion pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.
PS : Mes vifs remerciements au comité de rédaction composé de : Fatimata Seye Sylla, Seun Ojedeji, Tijani BEN JEMAA, Hadja Sanon, Aziz Hilali, Ben Fuller, Mohamed El Bashir, Barrack Otieno et Said Mchangama.
Best Regards
============================
Aziz Hilali
Chair of AFRALO
B.P. 68 04, Medinat Al Irfane, Rabat - Maroc
Téléphone: + 212. 6 61 40 15 15
=============================
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