Additional Volunteers: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity
Hello All, Just want to let you know that Judith and Beran have volunteered to help draft a Statement on this public comment. Thank you for your collaboration. Best, Ariel From: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM To: "sebastien@bachollet.com" <sebastien@bachollet.com>, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity Hello Sebastien, Yrjo, and Bastiaan, During the ALT Call today, the public comment on the Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/accountability-diversity-2017-10-26-en> has been discussed. Sebastian and Yrjo, please be so kind to collaborate on the drafting of the statement. Bastiaan has volunteered to do a ‘sanity check’ after the draft is done. Please note that the public comment will close on 15 Dec. It is recommended that you complete the first draft by 29 Nov, so that it leaves one week for the community to comment, and the ALAC to ratify the statement before the public comment deadline. Once ready, please post the first draft on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/Z5tEB Thank you, Ariel Liang Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Analyst | Washington, DC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Thanks, Ariel! @those who volunteered: Any suggestions how to move this forward? Fyi I read the first 12 pages of the draft recommendations last week, will try to finish rest of it later, but to be honest it is going to be very hard for me to suggest positive comments for ALAC/At-Large here. I too am convinced ‘diversity’ is a good and important thing to strive for. But it is not a goal in itself as far as I am concerned - I could not care less whether someone is black or blue or what her/his sexual orientation might be. Without going into detail, (the first half of) this draft is the most political correct piece of windowdressing material I have come across in a long time. Simply put, IMO, its reads as a plea for ‘diversity for the sake of diversity and let’s focus on that in stead of what ICANN’s missions tells us to’. Emphasised by a large amount of supposedly ‘factual’ statements without basis/underlying sources etc. I am aware that is a personal impression, and others will definitely disagree. Great, and maybe rightly so. No sweat. Assuming this is a topic (some?) people within ALAC/At-Large have a strong opinion about, I think it is better if they come up with text while I stay neutral… -Bastiaan
On 29 Nov 2017, at 00:41, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> wrote:
Hello All,
Just want to let you know that Judith and Beran have volunteered to help draft a Statement on this public comment.
Thank you for your collaboration.
Best, Ariel
From: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM To: "sebastien@bachollet.com" <sebastien@bachollet.com>, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity
Hello Sebastien, Yrjo, and Bastiaan,
During the ALT Call today, the public comment on the Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity has been discussed.
Sebastian and Yrjo, please be so kind to collaborate on the drafting of the statement. Bastiaan has volunteered to do a ‘sanity check’ after the draft is done.
Please note that the public comment will close on 15 Dec. It is recommended that you complete the first draft by 29 Nov, so that it leaves one week for the community to comment, and the ALAC to ratify the statement before the public comment deadline.
Once ready, please post the first draft on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/Z5tEB
Thank you, Ariel Liang
Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Analyst | Washington, DC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Dear all, Nor do I have much to add to the recommendations. Regarding languages: in spite of translations/interpretation into six UN languages, not everybody has the privilege of reading documents and following meetings in their native language. That's why the use of maximally understandable English (written and oral) would be important also from diversity point of view, for the benefit of speakers of eg. Hindi, Japanese, German, etc., etc...and Finnish... Yrjö ________________________________ From: Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:37 AM To: Ariel Liang Cc: Bastiaan Goslings; sebastien@bachollet.com; Yrjö Länsipuro; Judith Hellerstein; Beran Dondeh via AFRI-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; Evin Erdogdu Subject: Re: Additional Volunteers: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity Thanks, Ariel! @those who volunteered: Any suggestions how to move this forward? Fyi I read the first 12 pages of the draft recommendations last week, will try to finish rest of it later, but to be honest it is going to be very hard for me to suggest positive comments for ALAC/At-Large here. I too am convinced ‘diversity’ is a good and important thing to strive for. But it is not a goal in itself as far as I am concerned - I could not care less whether someone is black or blue or what her/his sexual orientation might be. Without going into detail, (the first half of) this draft is the most political correct piece of windowdressing material I have come across in a long time. Simply put, IMO, its reads as a plea for ‘diversity for the sake of diversity and let’s focus on that in stead of what ICANN’s missions tells us to’. Emphasised by a large amount of supposedly ‘factual’ statements without basis/underlying sources etc. I am aware that is a personal impression, and others will definitely disagree. Great, and maybe rightly so. No sweat. Assuming this is a topic (some?) people within ALAC/At-Large have a strong opinion about, I think it is better if they come up with text while I stay neutral… -Bastiaan
On 29 Nov 2017, at 00:41, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> wrote:
Hello All,
Just want to let you know that Judith and Beran have volunteered to help draft a Statement on this public comment.
Thank you for your collaboration.
Best, Ariel
From: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM To: "sebastien@bachollet.com" <sebastien@bachollet.com>, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity
Hello Sebastien, Yrjo, and Bastiaan,
During the ALT Call today, the public comment on the Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity has been discussed.
Sebastian and Yrjo, please be so kind to collaborate on the drafting of the statement. Bastiaan has volunteered to do a ‘sanity check’ after the draft is done.
Please note that the public comment will close on 15 Dec. It is recommended that you complete the first draft by 29 Nov, so that it leaves one week for the community to comment, and the ALAC to ratify the statement before the public comment deadline.
Once ready, please post the first draft on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/Z5tEB
Thank you, Ariel Liang
Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Analyst | Washington, DC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
HI Bastiaan, I have read the report and from reading it I can clearly see that ALAC is the most diverse because of our geographic diversity. The other constituencies do not have geographic diversity so this is a plus for at large. We are also a big supporter of language diversity by allowing individual end users get involved and engaged with ICANN in the 6 UN languages. Other constituencies do not have the importance of using multiple languages to get people engaged. We put much money onto language support, but I think we need to put equal money into captioning so we can get more people engaged. Captioning helps people whose native language is not English, for people with low bandwidth and for people with disabilities. This is in the recommendations but I think we could mention that we hope this will be adopted and that ICANN should be funding captioning for all instead of just transcripts at a much later date. Only the GAC has language support and they also have live captioning which we do not. We should all be able to have this and I think all constituencies should have this option. It also talks about the need to increase and change the culture in ICANN as regards captioning. While in At large we have language support but in additional to language support we should have live captioning for all meetings. We should also make every effort to welcome people with disabilities into the sessions. ICANN is very late to the game. Many of their videos are not captioned making it hard for people with impairments to use them. Hopefully the new ICANN learn platform will be more accessible but many of the videos are not captioned, especially the older ones So I think there is a lot to say of good steps going forward but need for more emphasis on these issues Hope this helps Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 12/4/2017 2:37 AM, Bastiaan Goslings wrote:
Thanks, Ariel!
@those who volunteered:
Any suggestions how to move this forward? Fyi I read the first 12 pages of the draft recommendations last week, will try to finish rest of it later, but to be honest it is going to be very hard for me to suggest positive comments for ALAC/At-Large here.
I too am convinced ‘diversity’ is a good and important thing to strive for. But it is not a goal in itself as far as I am concerned - I could not care less whether someone is black or blue or what her/his sexual orientation might be. Without going into detail, (the first half of) this draft is the most political correct piece of windowdressing material I have come across in a long time. Simply put, IMO, its reads as a plea for ‘diversity for the sake of diversity and let’s focus on that in stead of what ICANN’s missions tells us to’. Emphasised by a large amount of supposedly ‘factual’ statements without basis/underlying sources etc.
I am aware that is a personal impression, and others will definitely disagree. Great, and maybe rightly so. No sweat. Assuming this is a topic (some?) people within ALAC/At-Large have a strong opinion about, I think it is better if they come up with text while I stay neutral…
-Bastiaan
On 29 Nov 2017, at 00:41, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> wrote:
Hello All,
Just want to let you know that Judith and Beran have volunteered to help draft a Statement on this public comment.
Thank you for your collaboration.
Best, Ariel
From: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM To: "sebastien@bachollet.com" <sebastien@bachollet.com>, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity
Hello Sebastien, Yrjo, and Bastiaan,
During the ALT Call today, the public comment on the Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity has been discussed.
Sebastian and Yrjo, please be so kind to collaborate on the drafting of the statement. Bastiaan has volunteered to do a ‘sanity check’ after the draft is done.
Please note that the public comment will close on 15 Dec. It is recommended that you complete the first draft by 29 Nov, so that it leaves one week for the community to comment, and the ALAC to ratify the statement before the public comment deadline.
Once ready, please post the first draft on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/Z5tEB
Thank you, Ariel Liang
Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Analyst | Washington, DC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Dear all, Apologies for coming late in the discussion. I would like to re- echo Judith’s suggestions but in particular hone in on low bandwidth issues. I am from a region that suffers low bandwidth issues. It affects everything we do. Take ICANN conference calls for example. A one hour call would most of the time be 20 mins of can u hear me.?? I can hear you?? Dropped calls etc. The 40 min would be fruitful conversation. I would like us to concentrate on that as part of our statement. Captioning could be one of many mitigators. Looking at less bandwidth intensive applications is an option. I will be coming up with points as I finish off the report. Beran Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Dec 2017, at 04:01, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
HI Bastiaan,
I have read the report and from reading it I can clearly see that ALAC is the most diverse because of our geographic diversity. The other constituencies do not have geographic diversity so this is a plus for at large. We are also a big supporter of language diversity by allowing individual end users get involved and engaged with ICANN in the 6 UN languages. Other constituencies do not have the importance of using multiple languages to get people engaged. We put much money onto language support, but I think we need to put equal money into captioning so we can get more people engaged. Captioning helps people whose native language is not English, for people with low bandwidth and for people with disabilities. This is in the recommendations but I think we could mention that we hope this will be adopted and that ICANN should be funding captioning for all instead of just transcripts at a much later date.
Only the GAC has language support and they also have live captioning which we do not. We should all be able to have this and I think all constituencies should have this option.
It also talks about the need to increase and change the culture in ICANN as regards captioning. While in At large we have language support but in additional to language support we should have live captioning for all meetings. We should also make every effort to welcome people with disabilities into the sessions. ICANN is very late to the game. Many of their videos are not captioned making it hard for people with impairments to use them. Hopefully the new ICANN learn platform will be more accessible but many of the videos are not captioned, especially the older ones
So I think there is a lot to say of good steps going forward but need for more emphasis on these issues
Hope this helps
Best,
Judith
_________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
On 12/4/2017 2:37 AM, Bastiaan Goslings wrote: Thanks, Ariel!
@those who volunteered:
Any suggestions how to move this forward? Fyi I read the first 12 pages of the draft recommendations last week, will try to finish rest of it later, but to be honest it is going to be very hard for me to suggest positive comments for ALAC/At-Large here.
I too am convinced ‘diversity’ is a good and important thing to strive for. But it is not a goal in itself as far as I am concerned - I could not care less whether someone is black or blue or what her/his sexual orientation might be. Without going into detail, (the first half of) this draft is the most political correct piece of windowdressing material I have come across in a long time. Simply put, IMO, its reads as a plea for ‘diversity for the sake of diversity and let’s focus on that in stead of what ICANN’s missions tells us to’. Emphasised by a large amount of supposedly ‘factual’ statements without basis/underlying sources etc.
I am aware that is a personal impression, and others will definitely disagree. Great, and maybe rightly so. No sweat. Assuming this is a topic (some?) people within ALAC/At-Large have a strong opinion about, I think it is better if they come up with text while I stay neutral…
-Bastiaan
On 29 Nov 2017, at 00:41, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> wrote:
Hello All, Just want to let you know that Judith and Beran have volunteered to help draft a Statement on this public comment. Thank you for your collaboration. Best, Ariel From: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM To: "sebastien@bachollet.com" <sebastien@bachollet.com>, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Draft Statement: Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity Hello Sebastien, Yrjo, and Bastiaan, During the ALT Call today, the public comment on the Enhancing Accountability - Recommendations for Diversity has been discussed. Sebastian and Yrjo, please be so kind to collaborate on the drafting of the statement. Bastiaan has volunteered to do a ‘sanity check’ after the draft is done. Please note that the public comment will close on 15 Dec. It is recommended that you complete the first draft by 29 Nov, so that it leaves one week for the community to comment, and the ALAC to ratify the statement before the public comment deadline. Once ready, please post the first draft on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/Z5tEB Thank you, Ariel Liang Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Analyst | Washington, DC Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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