Re: [AFRI-Discuss] REview of the AFRALO Operating Principles
Hi Tijani, Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think : · * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud... · *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance · *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft · *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined. May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing... My 2 cents Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I’m attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn’t find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l’assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j’ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j’ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J’ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu’on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n’avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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Dear Tijani and Fatimata Thank you for these concrete proposals. We will add these points in the agenda of our monthly teleconf of July 30, 2014 at 18:300 CET. I encourage all members to be present AFRALO. Best Regards Aziz Hilali Le Samedi 19 juillet 2014 19h09, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi Tijani, Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think : · * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud... · *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance · *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft · *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined. May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing... My 2 cents Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I’m attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn’t find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l’assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j’ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j’ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J’ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu’on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n’avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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Dear Friends and Colleagues It was a shame we could not have enough time to discuss these in details in London. This is one first and important item we must take up with ICANN. The time slots for such important meetings at ICANN Conferences must be addressed. It is not a one hour affair business. There were two African meetings that were botched at the ICANN meeting-the African Strategic meeting and the AGM. The former suffered an embarrassing intrusion from another community member, who virtually INVADED our meeting that led to words exchanges. And then the AGM in which we were virtually hoarded out. On the points raised by Tijani at this meeting which is the point of discuss now, they are valid and needs an understanding consensus. May I suggest that, Tijani put forward his points as a formal proposal for discussion/adoption by AFRALO in our next conference call. He will then have to advance explanations as he did at the AGM for each item he raised. Fatima appeared to have set the ball rolling, let TJ modify his proposal as a motion for our discuss/adoption. I support Fatima observation on quorum. That has to change from 7 members. Finally, now that Morocco has been confirmed for the ICANN 52 Conference next year, AFRALO should begin now to make adequate preparation to make it an AFRICAN hosting with all the rich diverse hospitality inherent in Africa from all the sub regions. Take care and best regards. * Pastor Peters OMORAGBON * International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable Association-UK (NNCA-UK) * President Diaspora Nurses Association of Nigeria-DNAN * Executive President/CEO Nurses Across the Borders Humanitarian Initiative-Inc.-(Nigeria & U.S.A) An NGO On Special Consultative Status with The Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-(ECOSOC) * Designated Focal Person,United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) * Board Member, Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations-CONGO * Member, Steering Committee, Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO * Fellow, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN * Fellow, Open Society Institute-OSI Budapest * Email:nursesacrosstheborders@yahoo.com * Facebook: Peters Omoragbon. * Skype: Petersomoragbon2 * Twitters: Peters Omoragbon URL: www.nursesacrosstheborders.org On Saturday, 19 July 2014, 21:03, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz@yahoo.fr> wrote: Dear Tijani and Fatimata Thank you for these concrete proposals. We will add these points in the agenda of our monthly teleconf of July 30, 2014 at 18:300 CET. I encourage all members to be present AFRALO. Best Regards Aziz Hilali Le Samedi 19 juillet 2014 19h09, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi Tijani, Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think : · * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud... · *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance · *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft · *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined. May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing... My 2 cents Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I’m attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn’t find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l’assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j’ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j’ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J’ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu’on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n’avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
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Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
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My dear Chair / Cher Président, The teleconference time is 18:30 UTC (or GMT) not CET / La teleconference est à 18:30 GMT (ou UTC) pas CET Have a good Sunday / Bon Dimanche --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Directeur Exécutif Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI) Tél : + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Message d'origine----- De : afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:afri-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Aziz Hilali Envoyé : samedi 19 juillet 2014 20:46 À : Fatimata Seye Sylla; Tijani BEN JEMAA Cc : afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Objet : Re: [AFRI-Discuss] REview of the AFRALO Operating Principles Dear Tijani and Fatimata Thank you for these concrete proposals. We will add these points in the agenda of our monthly teleconf of July 30, 2014 at 18:300 CET. I encourage all members to be present AFRALO. Best Regards Aziz Hilali Le Samedi 19 juillet 2014 19h09, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi Tijani, Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think : · * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud... · *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance · *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft · *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined. May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing... My 2 cents Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the
AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need
reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I’m attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please
take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss
them
later since we didn’t find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l’assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j’ai soulevé le point de la
revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j’ai proposé quelques aspects
de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J’ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur
(Français
et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées
pour qu’on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n’avions pas eu
le
temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
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Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
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Hello Fatimata and all, Fatima proposals deserves attention. However, it seems to me that we had at the time to discuss about individual membership. Is it possible that the AFRALO secretariat gives us the results of these exchanges and the culmination of these discussions! Regarding the vote, the proposal of Fatima can be a point of discussion. It is relevant but it will take into account certain parameters including the activities of ALs at local level, the linguistic problem, the multiplicity of the information requested to be answered ...... and also professional problems for some. Regarding the performance, again we must be careful and as Fatima suggests, we must refer to the ALAC indicators but also conduct a systemic investigation to ascertain why this ALs is not performing at AFRALO or ICANN. There may be justifications. That ultimately when there is no compelling reason, then we can decide on the withdrawal of certification and that at the next general meeting. I have a supplementary reading by asking the following question: What are the motivations for active Als? 2014-07-19 20:05 GMT+02:00 Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com>:
Hi Tijani,
Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think :
· * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud...
· *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance
· *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft
· *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined.
May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing...
My 2 cents
Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata
Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I’m attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn’t find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l’assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j’ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j’ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J’ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu’on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n’avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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I support where Tijani is coming from. We can all see the problem of each ALS having a vote as opposed to per country voting. A single country that has 10 ALS would mean that the other countries voice is stifled because they will not have the numbers. All ALS in a single country can cast a vote, but all those votes within that country should be amalgamated into one single vote so that other regions within AFRALO are also heard, and their vote count. This will also prevent some individuals from registering ALSes as proxies for the sole purpose of influencing decisions in their favor. -- What is the justification for individual members? Are these members that feel they are not adequately represented by existing ALSs? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 20 July 2014 15:00, Baudouin Schombe <baudouin.schombe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Fatimata and all,
Fatima proposals deserves attention. However, it seems to me that we had at the time to discuss about individual membership. Is it possible that the AFRALO secretariat gives us the results of these exchanges and the culmination of these discussions!
Regarding the vote, the proposal of Fatima can be a point of discussion. It is relevant but it will take into account certain parameters including the activities of ALs at local level, the linguistic problem, the multiplicity of the information requested to be answered ...... and also professional problems for some.
Regarding the performance, again we must be careful and as Fatima suggests, we must refer to the ALAC indicators but also conduct a systemic investigation to ascertain why this ALs is not performing at AFRALO or ICANN. There may be justifications.
That ultimately when there is no compelling reason, then we can decide on the withdrawal of certification and that at the next general meeting.
I have a supplementary reading by asking the following question: What are the motivations for active Als?
2014-07-19 20:05 GMT+02:00 Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com>:
Hi Tijani,
Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think :
· * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud...
· *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance
· *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft
· *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined.
May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing...
My 2 cents
Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata
Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I'm attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn't find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l'assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j'ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j'ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J'ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu'on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n'avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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*COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC*
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Dear All, I agree with the president and Kivuva, i am sure we will find a solution during the meeting. Best Regards On 7/21/14, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I support where Tijani is coming from.
We can all see the problem of each ALS having a vote as opposed to per country voting. A single country that has 10 ALS would mean that the other countries voice is stifled because they will not have the numbers. All ALS in a single country can cast a vote, but all those votes within that country should be amalgamated into one single vote so that other regions within AFRALO are also heard, and their vote count. This will also prevent some individuals from registering ALSes as proxies for the sole purpose of influencing decisions in their favor.
-- What is the justification for individual members? Are these members that feel they are not adequately represented by existing ALSs?
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 20 July 2014 15:00, Baudouin Schombe <baudouin.schombe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Fatimata and all,
Fatima proposals deserves attention. However, it seems to me that we had at the time to discuss about individual membership. Is it possible that the AFRALO secretariat gives us the results of these exchanges and the culmination of these discussions!
Regarding the vote, the proposal of Fatima can be a point of discussion. It is relevant but it will take into account certain parameters including the activities of ALs at local level, the linguistic problem, the multiplicity of the information requested to be answered ...... and also professional problems for some.
Regarding the performance, again we must be careful and as Fatima suggests, we must refer to the ALAC indicators but also conduct a systemic investigation to ascertain why this ALs is not performing at AFRALO or ICANN. There may be justifications.
That ultimately when there is no compelling reason, then we can decide on the withdrawal of certification and that at the next general meeting.
I have a supplementary reading by asking the following question: What are the motivations for active Als?
2014-07-19 20:05 GMT+02:00 Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com>:
Hi Tijani,
Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think :
· * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud...
· *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance
· *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft
· *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined.
May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing...
My 2 cents
Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata
Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
Français ci-dessous
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Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I'm attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn't find time in London.
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Chers tous,
Lors de l'assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j'ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j'ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J'ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu'on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n'avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
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Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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Dears, I am been following the discussion. The proposals sound disruptive in the sense it may enable us to look outside the box. Now my question is, what is the purpose of individuals membership. Are we looking for numbers or are we striving for quality? The answer to that will enable me to elaborate more. What is the problem with the election process as it is now? Are we getting a lot of the complains? In that case what will we achieve by changing it? As for performances and Decertification what is the ALAC model? Could we adopt those working for others regional organizations? As for preparation, the format as offered by ICANN meeting may be improved by in house preparation. Either we organize home prior to International meetings or we provide ourselves a day or two before the official meeting and get our strategy fine tuned. If you choose the second alternative, the ICANN Vice President for Africa may help. Warmest Olivier Le Lundi 21 juillet 2014 9h05, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> a écrit : Dear All, I agree with the president and Kivuva, i am sure we will find a solution during the meeting. Best Regards On 7/21/14, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I support where Tijani is coming from.
We can all see the problem of each ALS having a vote as opposed to per country voting. A single country that has 10 ALS would mean that the other countries voice is stifled because they will not have the numbers. All ALS in a single country can cast a vote, but all those votes within that country should be amalgamated into one single vote so that other regions within AFRALO are also heard, and their vote count. This will also prevent some individuals from registering ALSes as proxies for the sole purpose of influencing decisions in their favor.
-- What is the justification for individual members? Are these members that feel they are not adequately represented by existing ALSs?
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
On 20 July 2014 15:00, Baudouin Schombe <baudouin.schombe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Fatimata and all,
Fatima proposals deserves attention. However, it seems to me that we had at the time to discuss about individual membership. Is it possible that the AFRALO secretariat gives us the results of these exchanges and the culmination of these discussions!
Regarding the vote, the proposal of Fatima can be a point of discussion. It is relevant but it will take into account certain parameters including the activities of ALs at local level, the linguistic problem, the multiplicity of the information requested to be answered ...... and also professional problems for some.
Regarding the performance, again we must be careful and as Fatima suggests, we must refer to the ALAC indicators but also conduct a systemic investigation to ascertain why this ALs is not performing at AFRALO or ICANN. There may be justifications.
That ultimately when there is no compelling reason, then we can decide on the withdrawal of certification and that at the next general meeting.
I have a supplementary reading by asking the following question: What are the motivations for active Als?
2014-07-19 20:05 GMT+02:00 Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com>:
Hi Tijani,
Thank you for initiating this important discussion. I read the document and this is what I think :
· * Individual membership* I think we can create an AFRALO individual ALS to allow individual members to join. The question is how. This ALS should be regional and may be we can ask Afrinic to host it. II am just thinking loud...
· *Vote weighting* One active ALS, one vote? Of course we will have to define "active" with the Metrics of performance
· *Metrics of performance* ALAC has its metrics of performance and we can go from there and set up a small working group to suggest a draft
· *Decertification* This should derive from the Metrics of performance and may also be a consequence of a "faute lourde" to be defined.
May be we should look at the quorum for meetings too as we are above 30 ALS now. 7 members seem to little to take a decision in a meeting / General Assembly. I think we should maintain 1/3 of the total members as a threshold and not give a fix number as the number of ALS will keep growing...
My 2 cents
Warmest greetings to all of you Fatimata
Le 18 juillet 2014 16:17, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn> a écrit :
Français ci-dessous
------------------------
Dear all,
During the AFRALO General Assembly in London, I raised the issue of the AFRALO Operating Principles review, and gave some points that need reflection:
· Individual membership
· Vote weighting
· Metrics of performance
· Decertification
I'm attaching the current operating principles (French and English). Please take a look and think about the mentioned points so that we can discuss them later since we didn't find time in London.
------------------------
Chers tous,
Lors de l'assemblée générale tenue à Londres, j'ai soulevé le point de la revue de nos principes de fonctionnement, et j'ai proposé quelques aspects de la revue pour réflexion :
· Affiliations individuelles
· Vote pondéré
· Critères de performance
· Dé-certification
J'ai joins les Principes de fonctionnement actuellement en vigueur (Français et Arabe). Je vous prie de bien vouloir réfléchir aux points mentionnées pour qu'on puisse les discuter ultérieurement vu que nous n'avions pas eu le temps à Londres.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
Directeur Exécutif
Fédération Méditerranéenne des Associations d'Internet (FMAI)
Tél : + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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-- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre _______________________________________________ AFRI-Discuss mailing list AFRI-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/afri-discuss
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*COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC*
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participants (8)
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Aziz Hilali -
Barrack Otieno -
Baudouin Schombe -
Fatimata Seye Sylla -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Olivier Nana Nzépa -
peters omoragbon -
Tijani BENJEMAA