Indeed! The ALAC's business is predicated on open-ness. So to 'intrude' is to be responsive. - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Avri,
You make a very persuasive case. I am inclined to back your recommendation (i.e., recommend a PDP and advocate for splitting the issue).
Thank you for "intruding" and please do it again in the future whenever you see the need to help the ALAC re-think and re-set its course.
Best regards,
Rinalia
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Please forgive me for intruding in your discussions.
I see that you mostly have made up your minds to support this travesty, but I want to add a contrary note to your deliberations.
If we give the IOC and the IFRC what they want in this motion, we will never be able to take it away from the them. You will be supporting granting this as IOC base 'rights'.
Please, do not hold your noses. Please smell the skunk for what it is and recommend against it. Recommend a PDP and recommend splitting the issue. Please do not recommend creating a new special reserve list (whatever they call a rose is a rose and a duck is a duck).
Unlike Alan, I beleive that a PDP can complete in time.
Be that as it may, please understand that anything given temporarily now will become the new base on which future give aways will be built. That is the way of the world, and certainly the way of ICANN.
We can call it as temporary as we want but it won't matter, because there is nothing so permanent as a temporary solution.
avri
On 19 Sep 2012, at 22:31, Carlton Samuels wrote:
My ALAC position was to delink the Red Cross from the IOC, different animals altogether. The recent controversy about how the IOC hogs the funds from the Olympics is further evidence to support that posture.
No contest that Usain Bolt has done more for revenues this year than any other single athlete. But the Jamaican Olympic Committee is left to scrounge for a few more scholarships from all the money them suckers reaped off his performance! Unconscionable.
I will hold my nose and support the position Alan outlined. On condition that if the PDP comes as he thinks, we go to the mattresses for delinking....and even reversal.
- Carlton
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
I apologize for the length of this note, but it is necessary to fully brief you on an issue that we must come to closure on.
The GNSO Red Cross/IOC Drafting Team has narrowed down the options for possible recommendation to the GNSO and has pout out a Consensus Call with replies due on September 26. I propose that this be discussed on our list prior to the ALAC meeting on September 25th, and that a decision be reached at that meeting to allow me to report back to the DT at its meeting the following day.
I specifically ask that all ALAC members who will not be able to attend the meeting next week make their views known prior to the meeting.
Note that this proposed recommendation seems to generally be in line with a motion adopted by the Board New gTLD Program Committee on September 13ths, but the Drafting Team had formulated the draft proposal well before that date. The gTLD Program Committee resolution can be found at
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-new-gtld-13sep12-...
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The proposal has two parts and is as follows.
1. Whether a PDP is necessary to resolve the the RC/IOC issue. My personal position is that a PDP is not needed to resolve the issue for the first round. A PDP is needed for any following round. A PDP is being considered on the larger IGO issue (which include as a subset the RC/IOC), but it is not yet clear that the GNSO Council will proceed with it (highly likely in my mind). Since it is quite likely that there will be a PDP, but that it will not be complete prior to the first new gTLDs being deployed, the 2nd part of this proposal only makes sense if that PDP does proceed.
2. The Second consensus call item is a proposal originally put forth by J. Scott Evans and endorsed by the Registry SG which recommends the following:
2.a. Recommend a moratorium be placed on the registration of exact matches of the IOC/Red Cross names contained in the GAC recommendation of September 15, 2011 at the second level in the first round of new gTLDs pending results of the PDP covering IGO names, IOC/RC names and other international organizations. This would provide a back stop if the PDP does not finish in time and would also eliminate the argument that the GNSO is just choosing this approach as a way of avoiding the issue.
2.b. Communicate to the GAC:
2.b.i. That the GNSO recommends a PDP be initiated as soon as possible to cover IGO names, IOC/RC names any other international organizations.
2.b.11. A rationale for that position with a particular emphasis on pointing out the things that could be accomplished via a PDP and that would be difficult to adequately do so otherwise.
2.b.iii. That the GNSO welcomes feedback from the GAC as soon as possible on this position.
2.b.iv. That sincere efforts will be made to expedite the PDP; note that the work that has already been done on this issue should facilitate the process.
I recommend that the ALAC support this recommendation as I have qualified it above.
The rationale is as follows:
- in the longer term, it makes sense that such a major issue such as protection of IGO (and possible other names such as charities) be done under the auspices of a PDP. This is an issue that has come up before. The last time in 2007, the specific question was the creation of a dispute resolution process that could be used by IGO (since the UDRP is for trademarks, it does not apply). Ultimately, after a LOT of work was done, the GNSO Council chose not to do any further work on this, with the understanding that for new gTLDs, the IGO issue would be incorporated into the plans. It was not. If the issue is not definitively dealt with now, it will simply come back again. And no doubt sooner than the 4 years it took to return this time.
- If we allow the status quo to stand and the RC/IOC names are not protected at the 2nd level as new gTLDs are deployed, AND if ultimately a PDP decides that the RC and IOC names SHOULD be protected at the 2nd level, there will be no practical way to call back any names that have been registered in the interim, certainly not until they expire. As a result, these organization will have been impacted unreasonably. At the very least, they would have to do significant defensive registrations. On the other hand, if the names are protected and the PDP judges that they do not deserve this protection, the names can easily be released at that time.
- In recent statements, the ALAC has been more sympathetic with the case of the Red Cross than with the IOC. However, the two are firmly linked at this time (although they could be delinked in a future PDP), so the only way to offer protection to the RC is to do it to both organizations.
- The recommendation is about as conservative as it could be given that the organizations wanted protection for a far wide range of languages than was originally requested in the GAC letter (https://gacweb.icann.org/display/GACADV/2011-09-14-IOCRC-1). And of course it is exact matches only and not the more flexible protection that they would prefer.
Although not a rationale for doing this, it should be noted that if the GNSO either makes no recommendation or takes a more rigid position that no additional protections should be granted, it is likely (in my opinion) that the Board will do something of this sort anyway, creating a very time-and energy-consuming issue with no real benefit.
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