Hi all I am in favor of important participation, but not count of emails minutes. I am seeing a lot of waste of time exchange unimportant emails. We certainly do need a more clear rule to demand full and constructive participation, but let's do this taking into account what means such participation. A management based on results looks more effective. Of course the minimum (that should not be too minimum!) participation required is important. Anyone not reaching the required participation shall give room to another one more interested, hence rules about how to dismiss not active people shall be clear to not raise unnecessary complains. I believe we will have time to deal with this issue during our f2f meeting next week. See you all there. Safe trip to all. Best, Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Alan Greenberg Enviada em: quinta-feira, 23 de outubro de 2008 19:39 Para: At-Large Worldwide Assunto: Re: [ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais At 23/10/2008 02:48 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Hi all,
In my mind, this draft may go somewhat over the top and I do agree that a re-draft needs to be done but we DO need something like this in place. When we see charts of approximately 50% of our ALAC members NOT meeting minimum participation standards then we have a huge problem that must be addressed.
For what Wendy said about counting minutes - nothing in this paper calls for that. Your attendance is automatically counted at each meeting and conference call. Your e-mails are automatically counted on the lists. Your participations in groups is automatically logged. This will not mean any extra time for anybody (except to actually DO what they volunteered to do).
As Alan mentioned, there does seem to be a lot of onus put on the Chair but there is a point there that the chair needs to contact the RALO for input into what needs to be done. There is also a system where the Chair must give several cautions before anything is done. It also has the provision that if an ALAC member has extreme illness or family difficulties, they can be excused from the provisions. This seems pretty fair to me.
I have no problem with the Chair being the "doer". I think that when decision are delegated to the chair in any rules, it must be in an explicit and open way, with appropriate reporting back. And my preference is to do it as little as possible.
Alan, you also mentioned, "But writing rules such as these almost sets the expectations that we are going to have a lot of people in violation of them. We should set reasonable expectations, and in the (hopefully rare) cases that people are not meeting them, take effective action." Unfortunately, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, we seem to have about 50% of ALAC members not complying with minimum standards so these, unfortunately, aren't rare cases.
True, we do have a problem, as I also said. But we don't want to get into the mode similar to the old joke where among the rules of behaviour that a boss posts for the employees, is one that says "The whippings will continue until moral improves". As I mentioned, we really need to define our expectations ahead of time and make sure that the bodies SELECTING our members know what they are. Alan
Also, this document gives actual time lines as to when the Chair must get involved. This way, the problem doesn't drag on for months and months as it seems to be doing right now.
The wording about liaisons giving only the ALAC views and NOT their own views is excellent and needs to be enforced.
Personally, I'm getting rather tired of seeing certain ALAC members/liaisons doing little or nothing within the ICANN mandate but going off three times a year to lovely junkets. I signed on as Secretariat thinking that I wasn't going to get ANY travel and have still maintained better stats than a lot of the ALAC members. Those who object to performance measurements are usually those who have the greatest need to fear them. (Not you, Alan - your performance is sterling and I look forward to hearing from you on how you would fix this wording when you have time).
Darlene
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-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:31 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais
Dear members:
We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents -- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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