Evan's emend on Sala's intervention improves the proposal. Here's something else. The advisory from the RALO on certification is open on list and archived. So to my mind it is entirely appropriate that a 'no decision' from the RALO ought to adjourn the certification process, sine die. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
On 2 October 2014 11:08, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Secret ballots on decertification are not transparent. There should be utmost transparency involved in processes such as decertification.
On reflection, I have the following change of tack.
I agree on open votes for Decertification because it is a serious act of disenfranchisement. By the time a vote comes up there must be compelling reason to do this, it must not be taken lightly.
However, on certification, for better or worse some recent instances have become incredibly politicised, with even the RALO itself unable to properly advise the ALAC on a way to proceed. In these instances, I would prefer a closed vote that enables ALAC members to vote on the merits of the action rather than risk acrimony amongst people they will have to work with. As Alan has said, this is now close to the realm of a personal election, and IMO this is a specific instance in which privacy trumps transparency.
So, on reflection, I suggest this:
- Decertification votes are always open.
- Certification votes are open UNLESS the RALO does not provide definitive advice. Then Alan's protocol applies.
- Evan
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
On our last ALAC call, Olivier brought up the subject of whether ALS certification and decertification votes should use secret ballots (such as we used for personnel votes) or not, and it was decided to discuss the issue on the mailing list.
The history is that most ALAC votes are open and it is disclosed who voted which way, with the exception of personnel votes and others that the
ALAC
explicitly decides should be secret. We have made such a decision of rare occasions. The only example I can recall is when we voted on whether to file objections to the .health new TLDs and we did so to avoid any harassment of ALAC members who voted for such objections.
A couple of years ago, a change was made to certification and decertification votes to change them from open to closed because of one or more objections filed by applicants. There is also a concern that a rejected application could lead to harassment of those who rejected it, and a concern that people might not vote honestly if the result was public (similar to the reason for secret ballots on personnel votes).
I think that this concern should be considered.
However, under our rules and the ICANN Bylaws, ALS certification and decertification decisions may be appealed to the Board. As such, we should be in a position to explain why a decision was made.
Accordingly I offer the following proposal.
ALS certification votes shall be conducted in such a way that there will be no public disclosure of how ALAC Members voted. However, the details of how ALAC Members voted will be available to ICANN At-Large staff and the ALAC Chair to allow them to conduct private interviews with voters to be able to put together a rationale for why any particular decision was made.
Comments?
Alan
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