Congrats to being a member of the MAG by the way ;-)! Best, Matthias _________________________ Ing. Mag. Matthias M. Hudobnik <mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at> matthias@hudobnik.at <http://www.hudobnik.at/> http://www.hudobnik.at @ <https://twitter.com/mhudobnik> mhudobnik Von: Amrita Choudhury [mailto:amritachoudhury@ccaoi.in] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. November 2020 15:58 An: 'Matthias M. Hudobnik'; 'Jonathan Zuck'; 'Evan Leibovitch'; 'Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond' Cc: 'ALAC'; 'ALT-Plus' Betreff: RE: [ALT-Plus] [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report I am okay with any of the options. Regards, Amrita From: ALT-Plus <alt-plus-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Matthias M. Hudobnik Sent: 23 November 2020 20:35 To: 'Jonathan Zuck' <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; 'Evan Leibovitch' <evan@telly.org>; 'Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond' <ocl@gih.com> Cc: 'ALAC' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; 'ALT-Plus' <alt-plus@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALT-Plus] [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report My first choice is "acts in the best interests" and my second choice would be “advances the interests of”…! Best, Matthias _________________________ Ing. Mag. Matthias M. Hudobnik <mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at> matthias@hudobnik.at <http://www.hudobnik.at/> http://www.hudobnik.at @ <https://twitter.com/mhudobnik> mhudobnik Von: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Jonathan Zuck Gesendet: Montag, 23. November 2020 08:40 An: Evan Leibovitch; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Cc: ALAC; ALT-Plus Betreff: Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report I’m in favor of getting as active a verb as we can manage without opening ourselves up to representational issues. I like “advances the interests of” for some such thing. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 9:54 PM To: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> Cc: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ALT-Plus <alt-plus@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report I agree with and support Olivier's comments. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 08:20, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote: Hello all, Indeed using "oversees" this could imply a matter of top down authority towards the community, which it does not have. In using "represents the interests", it goes further than "acts in the best interests", but it also opens the door to criticism that there are no procedures in place to ask every Internet user what they think, so it further exacerbates the issue of legitimacy. Thus I would support "acts in the best interests" Kindest regards, Olivier On 22/11/2020 14:17, Maureen Hilyard wrote: Dear Tijani Thank for first bringing this matter to our attention. It is an issue that Alan raised as one that should be dealt with before the report is accepted. The two alternatives that I had originally been given as replacements for "oversee" were "advocate for" and "represent" ... But I see that your recommendations also include "represents the interests of" and "is the voice of". I will ask staff create a poll for the ALAC to pose the alternatives to be considered for their selection. Thank you again for your suggestions. Regards Maureen On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, 1:05 am Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear Maureen and all, I would like to thank the ALS Mobilization Working Party for their work and for the quality of their final report. I have a concern with the proposal for Bylaws change to replace "The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users » by ""The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") oversees the At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users. » The ALAC doesn't oversee the At-Large Community. 2/3 of its members are appointed by this community (RALOs), I propose to modify this bylaws change proposal by the following: "The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") is the voice of the At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users. » or "The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") represents the interests of the At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users. » The term « oversees » is not appropriate. It is as if you say the GNSO council oversees the NCSG or NCUC or NPOC or the BC or the IPC or the Registry …. communities. Any term that have the meaning of control or domination of the At-Large Community by ALAC wouldn’t be acceptable. Otherwise, I can live with any other word. Best _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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