I think that there is a large intersection and hopefully the issues that are of interest to users are fully contained within At-Large (sometimes the poor response from the majority of At-Large in specific user-related issues makes me wonder). But not necessarily the other way. For instance, if you took a poll of active At-Large people regarding the current discussion on GAs and a Summit. the answer surely come out that it is important. If you took a poll of Internet users not involved with ICANN, I do not think the result would be the same. That doesn't mean that it would not be in the long term interest of users to have a vibrant ICANN At-Large and thus GAs and a Summit would be good for them. But that requires a series of logical deductions that may or may not be obvious to some. Does that make it any clearer? Alan At 22/08/2010 08:36 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan,
My personal opinion is that At-Large would be better served by a Liaison, but that Internet user community is better served by a good voting Board member.
Hummm, you believe At-Large and Internet user community dont have the same interest
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Well, the Board resolution on which this is all based was very clear about replacing the Liaison with the voting Board member. If our intent is to turn back the clock and go back to just a Liaison (as some people indeed feel would be best and have since the start of these discussions), then this is a good time to raise the issue. If we really want the voting Board member, then my inclination is to get that put in place and then based on experience, try to argue for putting back the Liaison (presumably instead of a second voting Board member).
I just don't see how we could get both at the same time at this moment. There are certainly some Board members who want to see the voting position go forward, and no doubt some who would prefer the status quo. I don't think there are many who would buy one voting and one liaison at this time.
It's not a perfect situation, but that is how I read things. We need to make up our minds which is more important and go for it.
My personal opinion is that At-Large would be better served by a Liaison, but that Internet user community is better served by a good voting Board member.
Alan
At 21/08/2010 08:25 PM, Hong Xue wrote:
Thanks to Alan for the comprehensive comments. Another issue that has been raised in Brussels but not sufficiently discussed ever since is whether we want to advocate to keep the Board liaison along with the selected At-Large Board Member. To my memory, draft bylaws replace the liaison with the Board member. We may wish to comment on this specific point as well.
Hong
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: While drafting my comments on the draft Bylaws associated with the At-Large Director, I realized that we will need to formally put our selection procedures into the ALAC Rules of Procedure (RoP).
I have done a first draft which can be found at <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_rule _27>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_rule_27. I am also attaching a PDF version for your convenience.
The current RoP (Rev10) is pointed to at <https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_p rocedure>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure.
The new draft rule includes Rationale's for some of the sub-rules. These rationales would not be part of the final rule, but are there to explain what I am proposing.
With a few exceptions, the draft corresponds to the process that has been agreed upon and has been given to the Board SIC. They are specified in general terms, to allow the process to be refined based on what we learn during this current process, and without having to formally alter the RoP each time.
There are two new parts that I am suggesting.
First, although we have had some general discussions about proxy voting, we have never agreed on any rules, and we never discussed this in the context of the At-Large Director selection process. I am suggesting that we allow proxies *IF* we come up with some general rules (applicable for all votes) or if we develop some for the Director selection process only. Essentially this rule says that proxies are allowed *IF* we define exactly how they will work. If we do this, it will ensure that we do not disenfranchise some RALOs.
Second, our voting methodology said that we will use random selection in the case of a tie. I think that it would be a really poor outcome if we end up selecting our Director by a random selection. I am proposing that if there is a tie, that the vote can be held a second time which would allow some voters to alter their vote. This *may* reduce the need for random selection.
I am suggesting that we discuss this on the list and schedule a vote for the next ALAC meeting. I suggest that staff take any messages posted to the list and add them as comments to the wiki. If we cannot come to closure in the remaining time, the vote could be delayed, but it is important that we have the rule in place sometime in the near future.
To adopt a new rule or change existing rules, it takes a 2/3 vote of all ALAC members who are voting in that ballot.
I look forward to hearing comments on this.
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