Well said, Barrack. On Tue, 6 Oct 2020, 9:52 pm Barrack Otieno, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Glenn,
I am affiliated to two At Large Structuresin Kenya. The Kenya ICT Action Network www.kictanet.or.ke where i am a Trustee and the Internet Society Kenya Chapter www.isoc.or.ke where i was founding President. We have tried at local level with the support of the Nairobi Engagement Office to keep everyone who participates in ICANN from Kenya engaged in ICANN and At Large activities. I have been sharing information from at Large and News briefs and received very positive feedback and requests from members who want to be more engaged in the ICANN eco-system. A good number are now active participants. Having said that i must reiterate that Excellence is a journey without a a definite Stop, while we look at our shortcomings let us celebrate our achievements which have been many.
Regards
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 12:53 AM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Maureen You bring up an important point about being welcome If you look at the last Fellows survey and their engagement we see despite the self identification of the fellows affiliated with ATLARGE the vast majority have not been engaged . This goes back to our lack of strategy to this and the NextGen to convince them of the merits of being active vs other communities. We need to change the message or strategy or both g Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 5:29 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Vanda and Carlton
You are so right. People join for all sorts of reasons and it can take a while before they find out exactly where they can best fit. It is one of the reasons why we have paid more attention this year to capacity building webinars and ICANN Learn courses (which are still in development), because people need to understand more about how ICANN and At-Large works. It has taken some of us ages to learn its little quirks especially in relation to working with Org and the Board. Strange animals. But at the same time, it is at RALO level that newsomers need to first achieve that initial degree of comfort and awareness. If they don't feel welcome and included at that level, they are not going to feel too included in the wider At-Large groups where the focus is away from people and totally on policy or outreach issues.
M
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 11:21 AM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Dear Carlton, colleagues
( not been an ALAC member nowadays I am not allowed to post to ALAC, but anyway, let’s try)
As always you, Carlton, can put in clear words what is the reality we all see, at least nothing have changed since we ( you and me) started in ICANN many years ago. All like us which have join with focused interest into policy development remain interested and committed because policy still changing all the time, so always a lot to do in this regard.
Others that we have “outreach” to become members, just a few had the same interest in policy issues or DNS related issues. Once you belong to the industry, that is the basics for your interest, but general ALSs have nothing to do with DNS and for them is not realistic expect commitment with any kind of policy or DNS relates issues. They may be interested in DNS Abuse, for instance, when them learn that may impact common users.. but they normally prefer to wait for the result than take part in the policy development. Nothing to blame them, they have their focus for their community and we hope that some developed policy we work because we liked, will help that very community too.
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If I may, the overarching presumption of the RALO/ALS structure was that an ALS would be an existing organisation in a certain area of endeavour that had a compelling or even tangential interest in names and numbers policy development. Extend that presumption and you can see why variability in interest, in capacity and attention were normalised, not exceptional. Take ISOC chapters, constituting a significant membership count as ALS in RALOs around the globe. Not every ALS would have an interest in IDNs. And not every ALS could be aroused from slumber to rally around the sundry SubPro issues. There is an explanation for the participation stats.
The single-issue ALS is a later evolution; those that were raised purely to participate in ICANN for names and numbers policy. Those tend to be personality driven. And, usually tied to no more than two aspects of ICANN domain name policy development. The participation measurements will always be different here, too.
The systemic issues surrounding the type of organisation, its philosophy and membership drive the kinds of outcomes for attention, interest and engagement we see. We could certainly wish it but see that big change we all slaving for and predicting to be just around the corner? We are '*waiting for Godot*'; it is not coming.
There always will be just a compact [At-Large] grouping of those who care overall about the domain name system policy issues. And in that compact there will be variability in the caring for this or that issue. The challenge is to continually recruit to refresh this one. There is an even smaller number who care enough to invest the amount of time needed for effective contribution to policy development. We have a winner when they are identified early from the previous grouping and then enabled in the ways the CPWG operations are attempting to.
It is what it is.
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:21 AM Judith Hellerstein < judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Alberto,
Thanks for this message. When Glenn McKnight was Chair of Naralo And I was Secretariat what we did is to reach out via email and phone to all our ALSES and Individual members and see how we could get people active. Often it was that they felt inundated with all the email and thus tuned out, but it was also that a change in leadership in their ALS meant that the new reps lacked an orientation to ICANN and At Large. It also was that they did not know where to start. This is why we started the survey to ask them what their issues were, what concerns they had and to try and find way to get them active on issues that they cared about. We increased engagement in the NARALO monthly meetings from low percentages to about 60% and higher. Now with the Pandemic we are using our monthly meetings to educate our members about key issues facing At Large and having key presentations for 45 out of the 60 minutes. The meetings still have high attendance and we are also building up the capacity of our members.
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On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:22 AM, alberto@soto.net.ar wrote:
I agree with you Jonathan. For two periods I was LACRALO Chair. My biggest task was to get active participation. Our monthly meetings with 45 ALSs, had an attendance of seven or eight representatives. It was my first fight and I managed to increase my participation until I reached 31 representatives out of 48 ALSs. But there was still that participation to be active. And I think it is a pending matter for all At-Large. And main point to achieve experienced leaders.
Best
Alberto
*De:* ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *En nombre de *Jonathan Zuck *Enviado el:* martes, 6 de octubre de 2020 10:29 *Para:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> *CC:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
Thanks for the examples. I’m not sure I understand them but I will endeavor to do so. If people were told that their opinions didn’t matter or they were prevented from expressing them then I would agree that is a problem. If they were expressed and failed to take hold, that is more complex. If it is your notion that there was a kind of “silent majority” that, had we heard from them, WOULD have supported those divergent opinions then I would also agree we need a way to see those hands raised. I continue to be a fan of polling, such as can be embedded in a Loomio or Slack thread so that our “temperature of the room” calculations are not just based on who talks the most. Sadly, even when we poll in Zoom, on a call, participation is often lacking. If people cannot even be bothered to click on a button to participate, we have an awfully difficult task “coaxing” them to speak up, as you say. The cynic in me believes that many people are “on” calls to get their attendance numbers up and aren’t even paying attention to the discussion. I’m highly motivated to hear all voices within the At-Large and I believe we can do more to support those for whom English is not their first language. I am open to evidence and practical suggestions.
THIS conversation was about leadership roles within the ALAC, however, and I’m quite certain that putting someone in a position of leadership doesn’t necessarily imply we will hear more from that person. We have plenty of silent participants on the ALAC as well. I don’t think leadership should be a function of seniority per se but it SHOULD reflect a willingness to do the work. Consequently, we need to find solutions to greater participation in the rank and file work of the At-Large, in order to identify more diverse candidates for leadership. That’s my opinion.
As for whether “all we do” falls within our roles, this might be where we disagree. I see an inordinate amount of discussion on process, rules of procedure and just basic grousing. These discussions are WAY out of proportion to our actual work. In fact, I suspect if I compared the amount of text generated by these conversations and compared it to the amount of substantive outputs by the At-Large the results would be shocking. I’m not just talking about public comments here. I’m talking about outreach materials, communications plans, social media, etc. Output. Any organization that spends more cycles on self-evaluation than it does on output, which I believe is the case with the At-Large, has a serious problem. I confess, I’m more focused on THAT problem at the moment because we are in a period of intense scrutiny, because we just came off an adverse review, we’re taking on the contracted parties on DNS Abuse, and there is a long held belief that we cannot get out of our own way.
So, when I say I’m interested in diverse opinions, with regards to our “roles,” I mean our outputs. He thinks we should be saying this, she thinks we should be saying that, let’s resolve it. THOSE are the conversations that matter most. Certainly, how we organize ourselves to have those conversations matters and how we make sure that all voices are heard in those conversations matters. It just seems to me that moving unheard voices around the organization, should be a lower priority.
I hope that makes sense. I am happy to follow up offline.
Jonathan
*From: *ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> *Date: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:52 AM *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc: *Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>, ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
Hi Jonathan,
Yes you are right and we both have the same understanding about our role.
I am sure everything we are doing fall within these two areas. Or is there anything that we do that doesn't.?
However, if you insist I give examples, I give one as an illustration just so that you know that I know what am talking about:
1. Diverse opinions about ATLAS III reports
2. Divers opinions on ARIWG.
Above are just examples. I would now ask you this: For the next ICANN meeting. I know you have written and sort for speakers. Can you think of how many of those speakers you reached out too bring in the diversity we talked about? You don't need to answer just think about it and give yourself an honest answer.
These things can be frustrating for alot of people and the best way out for most is to" leave ' them 'to do it since they would not listen. After all am volunteering my time". That is why we sometimes have the numbers at meetings but they don't have the courage to raise thier hands and speak. But I think it's better we listen so that we don't become Belarus.
I rest my case here and I talk no more on this thread. A word is enough for the wise.
AK
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020, 18:21 Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
It is my understanding that we have exactly TWO roles: participation in ICANN processes and outreach related to ICANN. When I'm speaking about diverse opinions, I'm speaking only with regards to our two roles. I am unaware of any exclusion, in that regard. Everything else is noise. If you have examples, any examples of diverse opinions being suppressed, or even disregarded in those two areas, I would really like to hear them and address them immediately. Thanks.
Jonathan
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*From:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 3:18:32 AM *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>; Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
Hi Jonathan,
Am really surprised you are not seeing these things. If I begin to list examples it would definitely take me hours to type them out.
More importantly it is important that we make sure we have a truly multi-stakeholder platform where we learn to listen to a diverse opinion.
Yes that is not necessarily a part to leadership but sometimes it takes conscious efforts to bring people out of thier comfort zone especially when your have dominating factors.It's not about how long it's about how well. There are peculiarities that must be accepted. Some are oppotuned to be born into a welfare state others it's survival for the fittest. What matters most is passion and commitment.
Cheers
AK
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, 22:36 Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
There's an active tool in place to silence any diverse opinion? What is that? A culture of silence and dominance? I apologize if I'm being dim but I'm not sure I see that either.
There's nothing wrong at all with those with only an hour to give per week. I'm unclear, however, how to make that a path to leadership.
Jonathan
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*From:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 4:48:37 PM *To:* Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>; Jonathan Zuck < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>; ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
Hi,
Thank you Glenn, for guiding the discussion. I totally agree with you. It is a multistakeholder platform and I often wonder when we talk about "expertise", and "values". I wonder what those things really mean in a multistakeholder platform because if there is something like an association of thick /unintelligent/idiots internet users they also have the right to be represented and be listened too. In terms of values, Yes I agree with values if we are talking about fairness, transparency and justice and rule of law but otherwise, I disagree. I usually give this example: talk about having CCTV cameras in kids classroom. Some parents in some part of the world would never allow it cos of privacy concerns and concerns about who would be having access to it but in some part of the world, the parents are asking for it because that is the best way to keep the child safe in the classroom. For the former group, they see a lot of harm being done by the paedophile just watching but the later group the abuse is actually being carried out by the teachers or fellow pupil in class, so the parent is more comfortable with a 3rd party watching and reporting back to them. Both categories of parents have different values about CCTV based on their society but they are both right.
Furthermore, We are all volunteers, some can afford to volunteer 18hrs a day while others can only volunteer 1 hour a day. This should not be a problem cos it meant to be complimentary. The main problem is the culture of silence and dominance. There is also an active tool in place to silent any diverse opinion. @Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> that blocks those point of entries.
AK
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 8:46 PM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Maureen
I understand your position and we are not in disagreement on the merit of experience but it doesn't take away from the rationale to consider a most inclusive discussion. We pride ourselves as being multistakeholder than we really should drink the kool-aid and invite diverse opinions.
my 2 cents
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 1:23 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Glenn for initiating this discussion, but when we are talking about the ALAC Leadership Team, as Holly points out, there is a degree of experience, knowledge and expertise, as well as already demonstrated leadership, a work ethic and commitment to the values that we uphold within At-Large which are important to choosing people from within the ALAC for the leadership team role. Availability of time is another major factor as well. You only have to look at what Joanna and Jonathan have done over the past year to see how much work is involved in their role as Vice Chairs. There is geographic representation because there must be a member of each region in the team but while there are many who could be selected, we can only choose ONE person from each region for this particular group.
The nominations have been proposed and although there have been no other nominations, there will still be a vote taken by the ALAC as its final decision.
The ALT+ group was created as an opportunity for anyone on the ALAC as well as RALO leadership teams to demonstrate their knowledge of important At-Large issues and their ability to participate and contribute at a leadership level. Those who are worthy of candidacy for leadership roles often demonstrate and are noted for their participation and contributions to discussions that add value to the work of At-Large. This is what people remember and are willing to propose their nominations for leadership roles based on their experiences of who they believe could do the job of making recommendations to the ALAC that will benefit our community.
My 2c
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 3:50 AM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Holly
Just trying to tone down the rhetoric a bit and open the conversation. Its not an "Anti-Maureen" perspective but I have seen a history of criticism that has seeds of validity. No none is denying experience, dedication and performance is key in someone doing the job, just saying we have some vocal and many silent membership that have an alternative perspective and we need to open the discussion.
A recent experience in NOMCOM had similar polarity of candidates. some new vs unproven entities and its interesting to see the arguments for each....
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 6:37 AM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
And a response to you - it really isn’t so much about ‘youth’ per se. It is about new faces who are interested, and willing to put the time and effort into the job. So yes, all of the issues you (Glen raise) can be part of the discussion. WE also need to consider issues of time,, commitment, etc.
Holly
On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:02 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
I was thinking of Abdulkarim's comments and this resonates with the Atlarge review that 'new folks' and younger generation need to be encouraged into ALAC leadership. This is a valid observation but more problematic in application. I need to point that the nomination period was open to anyone. The reality was that Maureen was the only person that stepped up. Not sure why the community didn't respond and nominate or self nominate. The job is a thankless job with a ton of work and responsibility. It's not like the paid ICANN Board position, its an unpaid position ( this is another major issue that is an inherent disincentive to younger generation members)
We need to have an intelligent discussion of these issues. Perhaps we need to provide a set of recommendations for this type of senior leadership on issues such as:
-Regional rotation of positon
-Compensation
-Job shadowing
-etc
Food fo thought
G
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE < oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
HI,
I am happy to support these nominations.
However, I think we need to start thinking of a mix with the younger generation.
This I think is important as things are changing very fast so is the need of the younger generation,
cheers
AK
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:48 PM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hi. I would like to nominate the following
Dave Kissoondoyal (AFRALO), Maureen Hilyard (APRALO), Joanna Kulesza (EURALO) Carlos Raul Gutierrez (LACRALO) and Jonathan Zuck (NARALO)
I think it will be a very effective team
Marita
On 9/28/2020 2:44 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear All,
Maureen Hilyard, ALAC Chair, has requested that a call for nominations be issued for the other four members of the next year's ALAC Leadership Team (ALT) from the four remaining regions:
- Africa
- Europe
- Latin America and Caribbean Islands
- North America
Maureen Hilyard, as ALAC Chair, will automatically take the APRALO ALT slot.
The terms of the 2020-2021 ALT will begin at the end of the 2020 AGM until the end of the 2021 AGM.
This selection is carried out in accordance with the ALAC Rules of Procedure Section 17.3 (RoPs - https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Rules+of+Procedure?preview=/2262... ).
Nominations may be made by any current ALAC Member. Nominees need not be an ALAC Member at the time of the nominations, but must have an expectation of being an ALAC Member after the completion of the upcoming virtual ICANN69 Meeting.
Requirements for ALT members can be found in Section 6 of the ALAC RoPs. In short, ALT members are expected to attend all ALAC meetings, typically two ALT or ALT-related meetings per month, and be very responsive and thoughtful to e-mail requests and discussions. By mutual agreement, ALT members may take on additional roles. Vice-Chairs are expected to take on proportionally larger responsibilities. All ALT activities are carried out solely in English.
*The nomination period is now open and will close on Monday, 5 October 2020 at 23:59 UTC. *
Nominations need not be seconded.
*Nominations, other than self-nominations, must be accepted by Monday, 12 October 2020 at 23:59 UTC.*
Nominations and acceptances should be sent to the ALAC List [alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org]
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In accordance with ALAC RoP 16.3, following the close of the nominations period and the acceptance or rejection of all nominations, candidates
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