What drafting team? Alan At 31/01/2013 02:31 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
Dear Alan,
I agree with the rationale provided for by Dev. You stimulated interesting discussions and it is healthy to review the philosophy of the rules and why they are framed the way, they are.
I also support Dev's recommendations for the Drafting Team.
Kind Regards, Sala
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Alan,
My preference is to keep 4 as is. (Only when the vote is ended, do we (and observers) see how each person has voted.)
I wonder what is the need of rules 1 to 3 for ALAC votes conducted online. The duration of such votes is typically several days.
Consider a scenario when an online ALAC vote is ongoing and the vote is split with no clear outcome. Observers and ALAC members can see 6 persons voted no, 6 persons voted yes and by a process of elimination, know which 3 ALAC members have yet to vote.
Doesn't the potential exist where the 3 ALAC members yet to vote can be contacted by other ALAC members or observers to influence their vote?
Perhaps to ensure the integrity of the voting process, rules 1 to 3 should be removed. This would mean no information during the voting period is shown to ALAC members and observers.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Currently we have in place a set of rules (approved by the ALAC in June 2009) on how votes are to be conducted (that is votes that are not in reference to named individuals).
Those rules are:
1. As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted. 2. As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted. 3. As the vote is proceeding, we can see a tally of how the votes have been cast. 4. When the vote is ended, we can see how each person has voted. 5. The order of the options should not change as the vote proceeds. 6. Outsiders who cannot vote can look at all of the above interim results.
Rule 4 was there because previously, we had on some occasions used a BigPulse option to order the options so that the winning one was first. The rules were debated and approved because at the time, we seemd to used a semi-random set of voting parameters for each vote.
Based on the last few votes, we seem to be back at the state of semi-random variations in each vote (the current ALS approval vote does not allow a voter to see who has already voted, the recent votes on ALAC statements on Thickwhois and IGO/INGO questions did allow viewing the list of those who had voted).
Since we are in the process of cleaning up the overall ALAC rules, it makes sense to revisit this one prior to having staff adjust procedures to ensure that our rules are being met.
So I ask whether these are the rules we want or if changes need to be made.
I would suggest one change. Since these rules were created to have a similar effect as a face-to-face vote with all parties and observers in the same room, I would suggest the replacement of 4 with:
4. As the vote is proceeding, we can see how voted have voted.
This was considered last time, but was not used due to a fear that seeing how people vote could influence later votes. My thoughts are that this is exactly what happens in a face-to-face vote and should not change because we are voting electronically.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this. Specifically:
A) Should we keep the current rules? B) Should we replace 4. as suggested? C) Any other changes you believe we should make?
We regularly demand transparency of other parts of ICANN and particularly the Board. I think that we should use the same standard for ourselves.
Alan
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