Thanks for your comments, Alan. For the record, I have also posted Eric's comments in reply to earlier comments. May I urge other ALAC members to please read through the comments; this is really a potential policy shift and I see opposition to it at the moment, whilst reconciliation of some of those comments with prior advice. Before we decide on filing, and therefore before 12:00 UTC on 11th August 2011, we need to establish consensus -- we as in all of ALAC, not just me. If no consensus is reached on specific segments, then I suggest filing a comment only for the segments which we have consensus on. Warm regards, Olivier On 09/08/2011 23:55, Alan Greenberg wrote :
For those who are not reading the wiki minute by minute, I may add some other comments of substance later if I have the time, but have asked one question echoed below.
Alan ================= Recommendation #8: The WG recommends standardizing and clarifying WHOIS status messages regarding Registrar Lock status. The goal of these changes is to clarify why the Lock has been applied and how it can be changed. Based on discussions with technical experts, the WG does not expect that such a standardization and clarification of WHOIS status messages would require significant investment or changes at the registry/registrar level. The WG recommends that ICANN staff is asked to develop an implementation plan for community consideration which ensures that a technically feasible approach is developed to implement this recommendation.
Comment: Recommendation #8 offers no benefits to registrants other than bulk registrants (domainers) and the segment of the registrar market engaged primarily in bulk transfer (domainer servicing registrars), and is therefore not in the public interest and not supported by the ALAC.
How does standardizing and clarifying WHOIS status messages relate to bulk transfers?
At 09/08/2011 04:51 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
Indeed! Noted Alan => the following text *opinion from me* is also in the Comments section of the wiki page (along with a LOT more from me) as well, but I have sent it here to the Working List for completeness and our (particularly ALAC's) attention... both in its relevance to this specific matter/topic and for more general application / note and I would suggest future codification into some sort of SoP....
If and when piece of ALAC Advice given/published as Statement and/or Public Comment contradicts in whole OR Part any previous Advice it should NOT go to vote without going through an "informed" ALAC discussion on the point(s) that it contradicts/changes =>
ALACs' (and their Opinions) do change sure they need to! BUT it is because they change (in terms of both personne and opinion/reaction to current conditions etc.,) that a *'Statement / Position Change'* needs to be not only fully discussed and IF required suitably agreed to then BOTH the change and the rationale for it (and arguably the process used for that changes development) should be *highlighted* in the Staff Intro /cover sheet if not/also in the main body of the text where the 'New View' is listed/outlined...
Anything else means we are subject to WAY to much critisism for an AC to be taken seriously.... Changes in ALAC (in fact *any* AC Advice) needs to be fully trackable and AUDIT-ABLE as part of our own and ICANN wide A&T...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)
On 10 August 2011 03:04, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I call your attention to a comment I have just made on the proposed ALAC comment on the IRPT-B report. See https://community.icann.org/x/ZAFLAQ.
Specifically, I note that this new comment is an effective reversal of a previous ALAC position. I have no problem with the ALAC doing that, but it if done, it should be with full awareness.
Alan
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