At 11/10/2018 08:09 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
Alan and all,
I went through the RoP review proposed by Alan, and I accept most of them except 2:
19.9.1: I find the language confusing. I propose the following in stead: Following the publication of the BCEC slate of candidates, RALOs have an opportunity to suggest adding candidates to that list if a RALO believes that the BCEC erred in omitting a candidate. The timetable should allow for consultations and outreach both within each RALO and Between all RALOs so that the other RALOs may consider, using whatever methodology they choose, whether they have a similarly compelling interest in the additional candidate. This is for clarity
I will reword the section in light of all of the comments that have been made.
Also, I have a concern about each RALO using whatever methodology they choose to decide whether they have interest in the additional candidate. We have today an experience of 3 selections (2010, 2014, 2017) and I chaired the BMSPC for 2 of them. I recommend that all actions related to the Board member selection by At-Large be done trough a common set of rules for all the RALOs including those related to the petition. This is because we need the whole RALO members decide whether they have interest in the additional candidate, not the RALO Chair nor its leadership team. This rules must be very well detailed so that there is no room for interpretation.
The decision that the ALAC RoP require RALOs to follow specific processes is well beyond a set of changes that are clean-up and clarification. We currently have no such rules and imposing them would need to be a well-debated community decision.
19.11.8: I dont know why no abstain option should be for the very first round of vote. Suppose there are 5 candidates and I dont believe that any of them can be a good for this position. How shall I do? If I accept the proposal of Alan, I should either not vote or vote for someone who I believe is not a good one.
The reason is that a Single Transferable Vote (STV) asked that the elector order all of the candidates (ie says who they prefer 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc). There is way to include an abstain option because if it is there, it will be treated as a nth candidate. If we were building out own voting system, we could have an over-riding abstain that says you will not order any of the candidates, but that option is not part of BigPulse (or any voting system I am aware of). So a decision not to vote is the only option I can see in this case.
By the way, I had a long discussion with Alan about including the 2017 BMSPC recommendations in the RoP, and Alan think that such modifications of the RoP need more discussion to be accepted by the At-Large members and then included in the RoP. I accepted his opinion and look forward to this discussion and the related RoP modifications before we start the next board member selection process in 2020.
Thanks Tijani. There are no doubt parts of our RoP that some feel should be revised and if the ALAC decides that this is a productive use of its communal time, then such a discussion should be held. I do question whether the need for some changes is compelling enough to warrant it being high on the ALAC priority list, but that is a decision for the next ALAC. Alan
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Le 11 oct. 2018 à 00:42, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
Olivier,
To be clear, you made several changes from the proposed text, some you highlighted in red and others were just slipped in. Can you confirm if all were intentional?
a) replace "each RALO" with "RALOs" (not noted in red) b) replaced "erred" with "did not make a good decsision" c) removed the word "compelling" (not noted in red) c) added (s) to match the plural case earlier in the sentence.
a) the "each" was added to make it clear that each RALO needed to make an independent decision. But I agree it is awkward wording since it flips between talking about a single RALO and all RALOs. That needs fixing. b) I don't really see the difference between the two, but don't care much either c) again the reason that this paragraph was being adjust was to convey just this part. That the RALO feels STRONGLY that the candidate must be added back, not just is willing to live with it. d) good catch.
Alan
At 10/10/2018 12:34 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Seun, Alan,
On 10/10/2018 14:11, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
19.9.1 - Edits suggests that all RALO must agree that BCEC erred, was that the intention? I think that may be very difficult to achieve especially in a highly tense political setup.(am not saying we have that now, but the RoP is to be future proof) The intent is that for a person to be added to the ballot, three RALOs must each feel strongly that the BCEC erred. The BCEC is made up of people selected by the RALOs and in the view of the group that agreed on this process, it should be a high bar to tell the BCEC that it erred. If we do not as a matter of course, trust the BCEC to do its deliberations carefully, why do we bother with the process at all?
SO: I was one of the last BSMPC or is it BCEC and remember that recommendation and i agree with 3 RALOs, but the current wording suggests all RALOs must have to support the petition from a particular RALO.
The number of supporting RALOs is given in 19.9.3 but I agree that there is some potential for ambiguity/confusion in 19.9.1. May I suggest: 19.9.1 Following the publication of the BCEC slate of candidates, RALOs have an opportunity to suggest adding candidates to that list if RALOs believe that the BCEC did not make a good decision in omitting a candidate. The timetable should allow for consultations within a RALO, and outreach between RALOs so that those RALOs may consider, using whatever methodology they choose, whether they have a similar interest in the additional candidate(s).
Best,
Olivier
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