Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa <Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa <
Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights" The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights." Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Dev agree make it much clearer Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On May 26, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights"
The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights."
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Saw that too but it's a done deal. All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time. For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business. That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest. So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet. Carlton. On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights"
The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights."
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com
wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 To: Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Saw that too but it's a done deal. All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time. For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business. That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest. So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet. Carlton. On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> wrote: Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights" The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights." Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org<mailto:cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org<mailto:Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 *
*Sorry for any typos. *
*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Date: *Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 *To: *Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> *Cc: *'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
Saw that too but it's a done deal.
All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time.
For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business.
That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest.
So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet.
Carlton.
On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights"
The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights."
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com
wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Hello John, While there may indeed be some legitimate people who don't know how atlarge works. In this context however I do not believe it's lack of understanding. It strikes me as people who understands how these things works but have intentionally decided to play ignorance for their personal intentions. Otherwise how do you explain a GNSO constituency discouraging participation of ALAC in ICANN policy discussions. How do you explain a group who themselves have leaderships asking another group to desolve theirs. It defeats reasoning and purpose. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Sun, 27 May 2018, 21:01 John Laprise, <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote:
It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users.
On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 *
*Sorry for any typos. *
*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Date: *Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 *To: *Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> *Cc: *'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
Saw that too but it's a done deal.
All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time.
For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business.
That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest.
So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet.
Carlton.
On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights"
The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights."
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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During the ITEMS process I sent to the ALAC list an Excel in Spanish and English, with activities for five years, of some LACRALO ALSs. Does anyone remember it? There is a lot of information about the arrival to thousands of end users per year. I do not know if at any time that was sent to the board. In a meeting with the JUnta I mentioned it, and one of the members said: If what Alberto said is true, we should review that activity well. I think we do, but we do not advertise. And this, until today, is a bottom-up system. Best regards Alberto De: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> En nombre de Seun Ojedeji Enviado el: domingo, 27 de mayo de 2018 05:21 p.m. Para: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> CC: ALAC Working List <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Asunto: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Hello John, While there may indeed be some legitimate people who don't know how atlarge works. In this context however I do not believe it's lack of understanding. It strikes me as people who understands how these things works but have intentionally decided to play ignorance for their personal intentions. Otherwise how do you explain a GNSO constituency discouraging participation of ALAC in ICANN policy discussions. How do you explain a group who themselves have leaderships asking another group to desolve theirs. It defeats reasoning and purpose. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Sun, 27 May 2018, 21:01 John Laprise, <jlaprise@gmail.com <mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com> > wrote: It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org <mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> > wrote: Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 To: Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com <mailto:devtee@gmail.com> > Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Saw that too but it's a done deal. All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time. For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business. That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest. So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet. Carlton. On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com <mailto:devtee@gmail.com> > wrote: Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights" The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights." Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> > wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org <mailto:cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org> >, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org <mailto:Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org> >, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> > From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org <mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org> >, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> >
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
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+1 Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Seun Ojedeji To: John Laprise Cc: ALAC Working List ; Alan Greenberg Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-LargeReview Hello John, While there may indeed be some legitimate people who don't know how atlarge works. In this context however I do not believe it's lack of understanding. It strikes me as people who understands how these things works but have intentionally decided to play ignorance for their personal intentions. Otherwise how do you explain a GNSO constituency discouraging participation of ALAC in ICANN policy discussions. How do you explain a group who themselves have leaderships asking another group to desolve theirs. It defeats reasoning and purpose. Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Sun, 27 May 2018, 21:01 John Laprise, <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote: It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote: Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 To: Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Saw that too but it's a done deal. All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time. For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business. That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest. So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet. Carlton. On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights" The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights." Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: > A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters. > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg > <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: >> FYI. Alan >>> To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> >>> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> >>> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review >>> Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> >>> Dear Cherine and Khaled, >>> Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review. >>> The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders. >>> Warm regards, Alan >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
From what is now a convenient and safe distance I want to express my appreciation, sympathy and solidarity to Alan and the others who have been dealing with the review.
The whole review process -- I was involved in previous iterations but not at all this one -- is by its nature self-defeating. Rather than encourage self-reflection and improvements from within from the people who know most intimately what works and what doesn't, it blesses ignorance while inviting everyone with a grudge to take a swing. And obviously some have. In the case of the CPH, At-Large -- despite our struggles to be accounted for in ICANN high-level objectives -- has been one of the sole voices within ICANN challenging the capture of ICANN by the compact of domain buyers and sellers. We have uniquely doubted the bedrock of ICANN expansionism that everyone on earth is just a registrant that hasn't made up their mind "which TLD?". Long before it became a catchphrase, we were on the ground floor to witness the consumer-hostile excesses of "permissionless innovation". And we tried to push back, warning ICANN that industry abuse of the DNS would just hasten the rise of the search engine. Our often having opposing views to industry fed a belief common to many (based on conversations and observation too numerous to count) that the industry is subsidising ALAC to oppose them -- in our first-class champagne junkets to ICANN meetings masquerading as policy work. To them At-Large comprises ICANN's welfare recipients, and no indignity or cost-cutting is too extreme. How DARE we oppose their march to put a domain in every corner regardless of need, or express concern at adding more gTLDs while old ones are failing, or worry at bad rules enforcement leading to real harm. The NCSG shares the travel jealousy but its core animus has a different source. ICANN is uniquely a realm of international governance in which what is broadly known as "civil society" does not have monopoly claim on the public interest. Here it has to contend with ALAC and the GAC (which from what I recall the NCSG hates even worse than us). Again, we run into "how dare you" scenarios when we sometimes agree with governments, or actually stop to ponder a balance between privacy and accountability for misuse. (For instance, what is the contribution of ICANN policy to the global phenomenon of 'fake news'?) In both cases there is a broad sense of "who the hell are *THEY* to fulfil ICANN's so-called public interest mandate?" Neither NCSG nor the CPH wants us here at all; they'd be happy with the diminished opposition and the travel slots re-allotted to those for whom governance is a career. The damn bylaws don't allow ICANN to eliminate us, so the next best thing is to render us even less effective and waste more volunteer time on process. So this is their shot, couched in ICANN-speak. At very least, waste our precious human resources and distract us. Burn out people just a little faster. I'm not sure I have an answer but there's no doubt where the question comes from. Maybe my experience is dated and things aren't the same since I've pulled back. but nothing I have seen or heard on the mailing lists or elsewhere has indicated any change. The very existence of -- and process taken by -- these two interventions suggests that it's still the same old 💩. I'd be far more concerned about all this if I wasn't convinced that ICANN's decline is well underway, the only questions left are 'how fast' and 'what will replace it'. No change in At-Large will make its "we tried to tell you" message any more palatable. -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56
I just sent Herb at Ombuds a heads up msg. I'm growing concerned by the level of vitriol. John On Mon, May 28, 2018, 10:40 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
From what is now a convenient and safe distance I want to express my appreciation, sympathy and solidarity to Alan and the others who have been dealing with the review.
The whole review process -- I was involved in previous iterations but not at all this one -- is by its nature self-defeating. Rather than encourage self-reflection and improvements from within from the people who know most intimately what works and what doesn't, it blesses ignorance while inviting everyone with a grudge to take a swing. And obviously some have.
In the case of the CPH, At-Large -- despite our struggles to be accounted for in ICANN high-level objectives -- has been one of the sole voices within ICANN challenging the capture of ICANN by the compact of domain buyers and sellers. We have uniquely doubted the bedrock of ICANN expansionism that everyone on earth is just a registrant that hasn't made up their mind "which TLD?". Long before it became a catchphrase, we were on the ground floor to witness the consumer-hostile excesses of "permissionless innovation". And we tried to push back, warning ICANN that industry abuse of the DNS would just hasten the rise of the search engine.
Our often having opposing views to industry fed a belief common to many (based on conversations and observation too numerous to count) that the industry is subsidising ALAC to oppose them -- in our first-class champagne junkets to ICANN meetings masquerading as policy work. To them At-Large comprises ICANN's welfare recipients, and no indignity or cost-cutting is too extreme. How DARE we oppose their march to put a domain in every corner regardless of need, or express concern at adding more gTLDs while old ones are failing, or worry at bad rules enforcement leading to real harm.
The NCSG shares the travel jealousy but its core animus has a different source. ICANN is uniquely a realm of international governance in which what is broadly known as "civil society" does not have monopoly claim on the public interest. Here it has to contend with ALAC and the GAC (which from what I recall the NCSG hates even worse than us). Again, we run into "how dare you" scenarios when we sometimes agree with governments, or actually stop to ponder a balance between privacy and accountability for misuse. (For instance, what is the contribution of ICANN policy to the global phenomenon of 'fake news'?)
In both cases there is a broad sense of "who the hell are *THEY* to fulfil ICANN's so-called public interest mandate?" Neither NCSG nor the CPH wants us here at all; they'd be happy with the diminished opposition and the travel slots re-allotted to those for whom governance is a career. The damn bylaws don't allow ICANN to eliminate us, so the next best thing is to render us even less effective and waste more volunteer time on process.
So this is their shot, couched in ICANN-speak. At very least, waste our precious human resources and distract us. Burn out people just a little faster.
I'm not sure I have an answer but there's no doubt where the question comes from. Maybe my experience is dated and things aren't the same since I've pulled back. but nothing I have seen or heard on the mailing lists or elsewhere has indicated any change. The very existence of -- and process taken by -- these two interventions suggests that it's still the same old 💩.
I'd be far more concerned about all this if I wasn't convinced that ICANN's decline is well underway, the only questions left are 'how fast' and 'what will replace it'. No change in At-Large will make its "we tried to tell you" message any more palatable.
-- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56
FYI: Omsbud is aware and in fact apparently been doing a lot of firefighting. I'll be talking with him in Panama at his request. On Mon, May 28, 2018, 11:05 PM John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote:
I just sent Herb at Ombuds a heads up msg. I'm growing concerned by the level of vitriol.
John
On Mon, May 28, 2018, 10:40 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
From what is now a convenient and safe distance I want to express my appreciation, sympathy and solidarity to Alan and the others who have been dealing with the review.
The whole review process -- I was involved in previous iterations but not at all this one -- is by its nature self-defeating. Rather than encourage self-reflection and improvements from within from the people who know most intimately what works and what doesn't, it blesses ignorance while inviting everyone with a grudge to take a swing. And obviously some have.
In the case of the CPH, At-Large -- despite our struggles to be accounted for in ICANN high-level objectives -- has been one of the sole voices within ICANN challenging the capture of ICANN by the compact of domain buyers and sellers. We have uniquely doubted the bedrock of ICANN expansionism that everyone on earth is just a registrant that hasn't made up their mind "which TLD?". Long before it became a catchphrase, we were on the ground floor to witness the consumer-hostile excesses of "permissionless innovation". And we tried to push back, warning ICANN that industry abuse of the DNS would just hasten the rise of the search engine.
Our often having opposing views to industry fed a belief common to many (based on conversations and observation too numerous to count) that the industry is subsidising ALAC to oppose them -- in our first-class champagne junkets to ICANN meetings masquerading as policy work. To them At-Large comprises ICANN's welfare recipients, and no indignity or cost-cutting is too extreme. How DARE we oppose their march to put a domain in every corner regardless of need, or express concern at adding more gTLDs while old ones are failing, or worry at bad rules enforcement leading to real harm.
The NCSG shares the travel jealousy but its core animus has a different source. ICANN is uniquely a realm of international governance in which what is broadly known as "civil society" does not have monopoly claim on the public interest. Here it has to contend with ALAC and the GAC (which from what I recall the NCSG hates even worse than us). Again, we run into "how dare you" scenarios when we sometimes agree with governments, or actually stop to ponder a balance between privacy and accountability for misuse. (For instance, what is the contribution of ICANN policy to the global phenomenon of 'fake news'?)
In both cases there is a broad sense of "who the hell are *THEY* to fulfil ICANN's so-called public interest mandate?" Neither NCSG nor the CPH wants us here at all; they'd be happy with the diminished opposition and the travel slots re-allotted to those for whom governance is a career. The damn bylaws don't allow ICANN to eliminate us, so the next best thing is to render us even less effective and waste more volunteer time on process.
So this is their shot, couched in ICANN-speak. At very least, waste our precious human resources and distract us. Burn out people just a little faster.
I'm not sure I have an answer but there's no doubt where the question comes from. Maybe my experience is dated and things aren't the same since I've pulled back. but nothing I have seen or heard on the mailing lists or elsewhere has indicated any change. The very existence of -- and process taken by -- these two interventions suggests that it's still the same old 💩.
I'd be far more concerned about all this if I wasn't convinced that ICANN's decline is well underway, the only questions left are 'how fast' and 'what will replace it'. No change in At-Large will make its "we tried to tell you" message any more palatable.
-- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56
It is both ironic and unsurprising that some of the problem at hand has been rendered ombudsman-proof thanks to ICANN's tolerance of registrant untraceabilty. If I knew what a handbasket was I'd swear that ICANN was going to hell in one. ___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56 On May 29, 2018 2:05 PM, "John Laprise" <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote: FYI: Omsbud is aware and in fact apparently been doing a lot of firefighting. I'll be talking with him in Panama at his request. On Mon, May 28, 2018, 11:05 PM John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> wrote:
I just sent Herb at Ombuds a heads up msg. I'm growing concerned by the level of vitriol.
John
On Mon, May 28, 2018, 10:40 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
From what is now a convenient and safe distance I want to express my appreciation, sympathy and solidarity to Alan and the others who have been dealing with the review.
The whole review process -- I was involved in previous iterations but not at all this one -- is by its nature self-defeating. Rather than encourage self-reflection and improvements from within from the people who know most intimately what works and what doesn't, it blesses ignorance while inviting everyone with a grudge to take a swing. And obviously some have.
In the case of the CPH, At-Large -- despite our struggles to be accounted for in ICANN high-level objectives -- has been one of the sole voices within ICANN challenging the capture of ICANN by the compact of domain buyers and sellers. We have uniquely doubted the bedrock of ICANN expansionism that everyone on earth is just a registrant that hasn't made up their mind "which TLD?". Long before it became a catchphrase, we were on the ground floor to witness the consumer-hostile excesses of "permissionless innovation". And we tried to push back, warning ICANN that industry abuse of the DNS would just hasten the rise of the search engine.
Our often having opposing views to industry fed a belief common to many (based on conversations and observation too numerous to count) that the industry is subsidising ALAC to oppose them -- in our first-class champagne junkets to ICANN meetings masquerading as policy work. To them At-Large comprises ICANN's welfare recipients, and no indignity or cost-cutting is too extreme. How DARE we oppose their march to put a domain in every corner regardless of need, or express concern at adding more gTLDs while old ones are failing, or worry at bad rules enforcement leading to real harm.
The NCSG shares the travel jealousy but its core animus has a different source. ICANN is uniquely a realm of international governance in which what is broadly known as "civil society" does not have monopoly claim on the public interest. Here it has to contend with ALAC and the GAC (which from what I recall the NCSG hates even worse than us). Again, we run into "how dare you" scenarios when we sometimes agree with governments, or actually stop to ponder a balance between privacy and accountability for misuse. (For instance, what is the contribution of ICANN policy to the global phenomenon of 'fake news'?)
In both cases there is a broad sense of "who the hell are *THEY* to fulfil ICANN's so-called public interest mandate?" Neither NCSG nor the CPH wants us here at all; they'd be happy with the diminished opposition and the travel slots re-allotted to those for whom governance is a career. The damn bylaws don't allow ICANN to eliminate us, so the next best thing is to render us even less effective and waste more volunteer time on process.
So this is their shot, couched in ICANN-speak. At very least, waste our precious human resources and distract us. Burn out people just a little faster.
I'm not sure I have an answer but there's no doubt where the question comes from. Maybe my experience is dated and things aren't the same since I've pulled back. but nothing I have seen or heard on the mailing lists or elsewhere has indicated any change. The very existence of -- and process taken by -- these two interventions suggests that it's still the same old 💩.
I'd be far more concerned about all this if I wasn't convinced that ICANN's decline is well underway, the only questions left are 'how fast' and 'what will replace it'. No change in At-Large will make its "we tried to tell you" message any more palatable.
-- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56
John. May be a good opportunity, absed on those letters, to publish a quite clear description and results of what we do and what mean our contribution to ICANN and its users around the world. We need to make our marketing in a better way, to avoid empty criticism raised from just ignorance about us. Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 17:01 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 To: Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Saw that too but it's a done deal. All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time. For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business. That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest. So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet. Carlton. On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> wrote: Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights" The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending "It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights." Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org<mailto:cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org<mailto:Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Dear Colleagues, Overall the response was great in my humble opinion. While i respect the right of opinion of other SO's and AC's, we must recall that the drivers of the process were opinionated in some cases which could explain the view and reaction of some of the SO's and AC's. We should therefore treat their sentiments as an opinion. The work At Large does speaks for itself based on the quality of persons it has nominated to the board in the recent past and its outputs in ICANN Policy processes. Best Regards On 5/28/18, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
John. May be a good opportunity, absed on those letters, to publish a quite clear description and results of what we do and what mean our contribution to ICANN and its users around the world. We need to make our marketing in a better way, to avoid empty criticism raised from just ignorance about us. Kisses to all
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
From: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 17:01 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
It strikes me that a lot of other SOs & ACs don't understand what we do, how we work, or how we serve end users. On Sun, May 27, 2018, 2:54 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org>> wrote: Hi Carlton. I am with you but even so, they haven’t write to us to deserve a response. But we could slao, in another occasion send our generic view to the board about all ACs and SO and their action in the internet users. Could be a good alternative don’t you think? Kisses
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 15:27 To: Dev Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> Cc: 'ALAC List' <ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
Saw that too but it's a done deal.
All in all, the responses are very restrained. I so too hate for allegedly sensible people to insist they have a right to waste my limited and yes, valuable time.
For I still don't believe the ALAC should just accept the narrative that neither the NCSG or the CPH give a tinker's damn about how the ALAC organize and does its business.
That is, unless they intended the ALAC to enumerate the sundry ways their governance - and dare I say known positions! - may be characterised as inimical to the public interest.
So I would've been more inclined to step on 'em to give up that bee in their bonnet.
Carlton.
On Sat, 26 May 2018, 2:22 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> wrote: Great response. However on page 6 re: the ALT, this paragraph
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee), including the Board and the NCSG. In many such cases, including the Board, this group actually does have significant decision-making rights"
The last sentence isn't clear as to "this group" is referring to, with a potential interpretation that "this group" is the ALT. I presume this is what you were intending
"It is the ALAC’s understanding that many other groups in ICANN (such as the Board and the NCSG) have a leadership team (often called an Executive Committee). Such leadership teams do have significant decision-making rights."
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:48 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote:
A good summary of our discussions. We can now look forward to the Board's response/s to all the letters.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org<mailto:cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org<mailto:Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>>, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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Thank you Alan, looking forward to the response. Kind Regards Hadia -----Original Message----- From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:11 AM To: ALAC Subject: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa <Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
Recall my contention that the NCSG/CPH knockdown narrative was a bee in a bonnet? Well, a correspondent just shared with me an interesting link which led to a bit of content from a yet unidentified shadowy group: https://www.atlarge.watch/ Quite apart from statements that could reasonably be characterised as blood libels, I have excerpted and reproduced here - I was so tempted to use a porn-related metaphor to convey meaning but I cannot now think of an obsequious way in language to mollify the thought police - the gravamen of this tilt. "Ultimately, we seek to strengthen non-commercial participation in ICANN's agenda-setting and decision-making processes." I doubt it would surprise anyone familiar with politics 101 ICANN-style to know the WHOIS record is privacy-protected. The domain was registered on the 26th May. Here's a useful analogy. These virtuous souls, I'm sure men and women all good and true, would not wish to bother you with their identities. Compare that to the situation where the PIIs of every ALAC member is a public record. Can't get clearer than that. - Carlton On Mon, 28 May 2018, 7:44 am Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi, < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:
Thank you Alan, looking forward to the response.
Kind Regards Hadia
-----Original Message----- From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:11 AM To: ALAC Subject: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa <Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
This is a public list. Let's making comments targeted at or about individuals here. Alan At 28/05/2018 04:44 PM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
HI Carlton,
Thanks for this. It is no doubt the work of Ayden, Michael , and others who have posted their venum on ICANN bad attitude. I am at a loss to understand what really is their problem with us. Are they upset that we have interpretation into multiple languages? We share the same goals as was described in our similar responses to the loss of CROP funding. So not really clear what their problems are. the GNSO has a similar structure in that they have counselors and then have an excom which is like our ALT have alerted Renata Aquino and asked her to get to the bottom of this. Let's hope she can help calm all these ruffled feathers in GNSO and get some resolution
Best,
Judith
_________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: <mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com>Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: <http://www.jhellerstein.com>www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
On 5/28/2018 4:32 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Recall my contention that the NCSG/CPH knockdown narrative was a bee in a bonnet?
Well, a correspondent just shared with me an interesting link which led to a bit of content from a yet unidentified shadowy group:
<https://www.atlarge.watch/>https://www.atlarge.watch/
Quite apart from statements that could reasonably be characterised as blood libels, I have excerpted and reproduced here - I was so tempted to use a porn-related metaphor to convey meaning but I cannot now think of an obsequious way in language to mollify the thought police - the gravamen of this tilt.
"Ultimately, we seek to strengthen non-commercial participation in ICANN's agenda-setting and decision-making processes."
I doubt it would surprise anyone familiar with politics 101 ICANN-style to know the WHOIS record is privacy-protected. The domain was registered on the 26th May.
Here's a useful analogy. These virtuous souls, I'm sure men and women all good and true, would not wish to bother you with their identities. Compare that to the situation where the PIIs of every ALAC member is a public record.
Can't get clearer than that.
- Carlton
On Mon, 28 May 2018, 7:44 am Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi, <<mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg>Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote: Thank you Alan, looking forward to the response.
Kind Regards Hadia
-----Original Message----- From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:11 AM To: ALAC Subject: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby <<mailto:cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa <<mailto:Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.o rg>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia <<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <<mailto:board-ops-team@icann.org>board-ops-team@icann.org>, At-Large Staff <<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
ALAC mailing list <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
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No - let’s not. The way to counter juvenile behaviour is not to join it. They look like self indulgent, self centred individuals - let them. Holly On 29 May 2018, at 6:50 am, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
This is a public list. Let's making comments targeted at or about individuals here. Alan
At 28/05/2018 04:44 PM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
HI Carlton,
Thanks for this. It is no doubt the work of Ayden, Michael , and others who have posted their venum on ICANN bad attitude. I am at a loss to understand what really is their problem with us. Are they upset that we have interpretation into multiple languages? We share the same goals as was described in our similar responses to the loss of CROP funding. So not really clear what their problems are. the GNSO has a similar structure in that they have counselors and then have an excom which is like our ALT have alerted Renata Aquino and asked her to get to the bottom of this. Let's hope she can help calm all these ruffled feathers in GNSO and get some resolution
Best,
Judith
_________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In:
www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
On 5/28/2018 4:32 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Recall my contention that the NCSG/CPH knockdown narrative was a bee in a bonnet?
Well, a correspondent just shared with me an interesting link which led to a bit of content from a yet unidentified shadowy group:
Quite apart from statements that could reasonably be characterised as blood libels, I have excerpted and reproduced here - I was so tempted to use a porn-related metaphor to convey meaning but I cannot now think of an obsequious way in language to mollify the thought police - the gravamen of this tilt.
"Ultimately, we seek to strengthen non-commercial participation in ICANN's agenda-setting and decision-making processes."
I doubt it would surprise anyone familiar with politics 101 ICANN-style to know the WHOIS record is privacy-protected. The domain was registered on the 26th May.
Here's a useful analogy. These virtuous souls, I'm sure men and women all good and true, would not wish to bother you with their identities. Compare that to the situation where the PIIs of every ALAC member is a public record.
Can't get clearer than that.
- Carlton
On Mon, 28 May 2018, 7:44 am Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi, <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote: Thank you Alan, looking forward to the response.
Kind Regards Hadia
-----Original Message----- From: ALAC [ mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:11 AM To: ALAC Subject: [ALAC] Fwd: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review
FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby < cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org >, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list
ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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Agreed On Mon, May 28, 2018, 3:56 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
No - let’s not. The way to counter juvenile behaviour is not to join it. They look like self indulgent, self centred individuals - let them.
Holly
On 29 May 2018, at 6:50 am, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
This is a public list. Let's making comments targeted at or about individuals here. Alan
At 28/05/2018 04:44 PM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
HI Carlton,
Thanks for this. It is no doubt the work of Ayden, Michael , and others who have posted their venum on ICANN bad attitude. I am at a loss to understand what really is their problem with us. Are they upset that we have interpretation into multiple languages? We share the same goals as was described in our similar responses to the loss of CROP funding. So not really clear what their problems are. the GNSO has a similar structure in that they have counselors and then have an excom which is like our ALT have alerted Renata Aquino and asked her to get to the bottom of this. Let's hope she can help calm all these ruffled feathers in GNSO and get some resolution
Best,
Judith
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On 5/28/2018 4:32 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Recall my contention that the NCSG/CPH knockdown narrative was a bee in a bonnet?
Well, a correspondent just shared with me an interesting link which led to a bit of content from a yet unidentified shadowy group:
Quite apart from statements that could reasonably be characterised as blood libels, I have excerpted and reproduced here - I was so tempted to use a porn-related metaphor to convey meaning but I cannot now think of an obsequious way in language to mollify the thought police - the gravamen of this tilt.
"Ultimately, we seek to strengthen non-commercial participation in ICANN's agenda-setting and decision-making processes."
I doubt it would surprise anyone familiar with politics 101 ICANN-style to know the WHOIS record is privacy-protected. The domain was registered on the 26th May.
Here's a useful analogy. These virtuous souls, I'm sure men and women all good and true, would not wish to bother you with their identities. Compare that to the situation where the PIIs of every ALAC member is a public record.
Can't get clearer than that.
- Carlton
On Mon, 28 May 2018, 7:44 am Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi, < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote: Thank you Alan, looking forward to the response.
Kind Regards Hadia
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FYI. Alan
To: Cherine Chalaby < cherine.chalaby@board.icann.org>, Khaled Koubaa < Khaled.koubaa@board.icann.org>, Leon Felipe Sanchez Ambia < leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca > Subject: ALAC Response to recent letters regarding At-Large Review Cc: Board Operations <board-ops-team@icann.org >, At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear Cherine and Khaled,
Please find attached a letter to the OEC and the Board in reply to the recent CPH and NCSG letters regarding the At-Large Review.
The letter was developed over the last three days with the involvement and support of the ALAC and its RALO Regional Leaders.
Warm regards, Alan
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participants (14)
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Alan Greenberg -
Alberto Soto -
Barrack Otieno -
Carlton Samuels -
Dev Anand Teelucksingh -
Evan Leibovitch -
Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi -
Holly Raiche -
John Laprise -
Judith Hellerstein -
Kan Kaili -
Maureen Hilyard -
Seun Ojedeji -
Vanda Scartezini