Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others. IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there. If you are a volunteer in ISOC or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible. For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly. Kind regards Ricardo Holmquist 2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com>:

Thank you Alan for sending this document.

I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years?

Kind regards,

Sarah

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

...

Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program.

The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached.

*With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC *to ratify the criteria document.

This Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Sunday, 9 September 2018.

If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly.

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Dear Colleagues, I am in agreement with Tijani, for the fellowship, i propose we scrap the upper limit. We have benefited a lot from some of the founders of the Internet being active participants in ICANN despite their age. This applies to many of the SO and AC leadership positions. The wisdom that comes with ageing is necessary in this ecosystem. In our village we say an old man can see further than a young man standing on a rooftop. Regards On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:08 PM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear all,

I would like to thank the outreach and engagement sub-committee for providing this good draft. Nevertheless, I have concerns in the following categories of diversity: Region, Age, Skills and other diversity category:

- *Region:* As it is written here, we may have the whole selected fellows from the global north (people with sufficient wealth to come to ICANN meetings on their own expenses). My proposal is « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». - *Age:* I agree with Sarah and Ricardo that limiting the age to 40 years is to avoid. I propose in stead « 24 - 55 years) - *Skills:* Someone skilled in ICANN policy development with ability to analyse data from an Internet end user perspective, as well as knowledge and technical experience of/with the Internet eco-system won’t have any need to be fellow. He/she is already expert. The original objective of the fellowship program is to bring people who need the fellowship to be able to attend an ICANN meeting, and the whole fellowship program for fellows during the meeting is more or less capacity building. So experts wouldn’t need the program and doesn’t give ICANN any added value. I propose: « sufficient educational background to understand the ICANN environment, good understanding of the English language, Interest in Internet in general, Interest in participating in the ICANN work ». - *Other diversity category:* Civil Society, Internet end-users, global indigenous people are kind of stakeholders. They should be placed in the section « Stakeholders groups and constituencies. I don’t think we should target persons because they are victims of harassment or conflicts. Exclusion and extreme poverty fall under the region category when it is defined as « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ».

As a general remark, I don’t think we were asked to give our own interest only. I think we should give the best target for the whole ICANN.

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Le 7 sept. 2018 à 08:01, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others.

IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there.

If you are a volunteer in ISOC or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible.

For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly.

Kind regards

Ricardo Holmquist

2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com>:

...

Thank you Alan for sending this document.

I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years?

Kind regards,

Sarah

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

...

Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program.

The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached.

*With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC *to ratify the criteria document.

This Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Sunday, 9 September 2018.

If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly.

Although messages indicating support are welcome, they are not necessary. This Consensus Call will be deemed to have succeeded in the absence of significant opposition (greater than 20% as specified by ALAC RoP 12.3.3.1).

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I agree with Tijani's comments but with caveats on 2 points: Age: Am fine with the lower band limit since there is nextgen hence younger ones should use that but I personally don't see a need for upper band limit. Skills: I agree with the comments but I think experience in ICANN processes should still be maintained for B meeting. I do think that having 2 sets of requirement for the meetings will be better. One that is less strong on ICANN participation for meetings A and C and then another for meetings B which is more focused on prior participation/understanding of ICANN processes Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, 12:08 Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Dear all,

I would like to thank the outreach and engagement sub-committee for providing this good draft. Nevertheless, I have concerns in the following categories of diversity: Region, Age, Skills and other diversity category:

- *Region:* As it is written here, we may have the whole selected fellows from the global north (people with sufficient wealth to come to ICANN meetings on their own expenses). My proposal is « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». - *Age:* I agree with Sarah and Ricardo that limiting the age to 40 years is to avoid. I propose in stead « 24 - 55 years) - *Skills:* Someone skilled in ICANN policy development with ability to analyse data from an Internet end user perspective, as well as knowledge and technical experience of/with the Internet eco-system won’t have any need to be fellow. He/she is already expert. The original objective of the fellowship program is to bring people who need the fellowship to be able to attend an ICANN meeting, and the whole fellowship program for fellows during the meeting is more or less capacity building. So experts wouldn’t need the program and doesn’t give ICANN any added value. I propose: « sufficient educational background to understand the ICANN environment, good understanding of the English language, Interest in Internet in general, Interest in participating in the ICANN work ». - *Other diversity category:* Civil Society, Internet end-users, global indigenous people are kind of stakeholders. They should be placed in the section « Stakeholders groups and constituencies. I don’t think we should target persons because they are victims of harassment or conflicts. Exclusion and extreme poverty fall under the region category when it is defined as « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ».

As a general remark, I don’t think we were asked to give our own interest only. I think we should give the best target for the whole ICANN.

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Le 7 sept. 2018 à 08:01, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others.

IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there.

If you are a volunteer in ISOC or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible.

For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly.

Kind regards

Ricardo Holmquist

2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com>:

...

Thank you Alan for sending this document.

I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years?

Kind regards,

Sarah

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

...

Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program.

The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached.

*With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC *to ratify the criteria document.

This Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Sunday, 9 September 2018.

If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly.

Although messages indicating support are welcome, they are not necessary. This Consensus Call will be deemed to have succeeded in the absence of significant opposition (greater than 20% as specified by ALAC RoP 12.3.3.1).

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On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA < tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Seun,

The upper age limit is there because the fellowship should benefit to people who may become ICANN leaders while if you start being fellow at 70, when you will become leader?

SO: It depends on how much participation and time the individual have to commit, a fellow can become a leader one way or the other within a year. That said, while fellowship hopes to create leaders, its also (and will say mainly) to have active participants and once that is achieved I believe it should be sufficient enough. Regards

But I would be fine if the majority want no upper limit.

As for having 2 sets of requirements for the skill (one for meetings A & C and one for meeting B), I agree

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Le 11 sept. 2018 à 10:00, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> a écrit :

I agree with Tijani's comments but with caveats on 2 points:

Age: Am fine with the lower band limit since there is nextgen hence younger ones should use that but I personally don't see a need for upper band limit.

Skills: I agree with the comments but I think experience in ICANN processes should still be maintained for B meeting. I do think that having 2 sets of requirement for the meetings will be better. One that is less strong on ICANN participation for meetings A and C and then another for meetings B which is more focused on prior participation/understanding of ICANN processes

Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, 12:08 Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

...

Dear all,

I would like to thank the outreach and engagement sub-committee for providing this good draft. Nevertheless, I have concerns in the following categories of diversity: Region, Age, Skills and other diversity category:

- *Region:* As it is written here, we may have the whole selected fellows from the global north (people with sufficient wealth to come to ICANN meetings on their own expenses). My proposal is « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». - *Age:* I agree with Sarah and Ricardo that limiting the age to 40 years is to avoid. I propose in stead « 24 - 55 years) - *Skills:* Someone skilled in ICANN policy development with ability to analyse data from an Internet end user perspective, as well as knowledge and technical experience of/with the Internet eco-system won’t have any need to be fellow. He/she is already expert. The original objective of the fellowship program is to bring people who need the fellowship to be able to attend an ICANN meeting, and the whole fellowship program for fellows during the meeting is more or less capacity building. So experts wouldn’t need the program and doesn’t give ICANN any added value. I propose: « sufficient educational background to understand the ICANN environment, good understanding of the English language, Interest in Internet in general, Interest in participating in the ICANN work ». - *Other diversity category:* Civil Society, Internet end-users, global indigenous people are kind of stakeholders. They should be placed in the section « Stakeholders groups and constituencies. I don’t think we should target persons because they are victims of harassment or conflicts. Exclusion and extreme poverty fall under the region category when it is defined as « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ».

As a general remark, I don’t think we were asked to give our own interest only. I think we should give the best target for the whole ICANN.

------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- *Tijani BEN JEMAA* Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ------------------------------------------------------------ -----------------

Le 7 sept. 2018 à 08:01, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others.

IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there.

If you are a volunteer in ISOC or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible.

For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly.

Kind regards

Ricardo Holmquist

2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com>:

...

Thank you Alan for sending this document.

I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years?

Kind regards,

Sarah

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

...

Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program.

The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached.

*With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC *to ratify the criteria document.

This Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Sunday, 9 September 2018.

If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly.

Although messages indicating support are welcome, they are not necessary. This Consensus Call will be deemed to have succeeded in the absence of significant opposition (greater than 20% as specified by ALAC RoP 12.3.3.1).

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Eduardo +1. Jean-Jacques (78) Le 12 septembre 2018 à 14:44:00, Eduardo Diaz (eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com) a écrit: I may want to start at  70 because I may have the energy, desire, experience, knowledge and time to do this type of volunteer work. After all it is more mental than physical. -ed On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:40 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Seun, The upper age limit is there because the fellowship should benefit to people who may become ICANN leaders while if you start being fellow at 70, when you will become leader? But I would be fine if the majority want no upper limit. As for having 2 sets of requirements for the skill (one for meetings A & C and one for meeting B), I agree   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114             +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 11 sept. 2018 à 10:00, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> a écrit : I agree with Tijani's comments but with caveats on 2 points: Age: Am fine with the lower band limit since there is nextgen hence younger ones should use that but I personally don't see a need for upper band limit. Skills: I agree with the comments but I think experience in ICANN processes should still be maintained for B meeting. I do think that having 2 sets of requirement for the meetings will be better. One that is less strong on ICANN participation for meetings A and C and then another for meetings B which is more focused on prior participation/understanding of ICANN processes Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, 12:08 Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote: Dear all,   I would like to thank the outreach and engagement sub-committee for providing this good draft. Nevertheless, I have concerns in the following categories of diversity: Region, Age, Skills and other diversity category: Region: As it is written here, we may have the whole selected fellows from the global north (people with sufficient wealth to come to ICANN meetings on their own expenses). My proposal is « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». Age: I agree with Sarah and Ricardo that limiting the age to 40 years is to avoid. I propose in stead « 24 - 55 years) Skills: Someone skilled in ICANN policy development with ability to analyse data from an Internet end user perspective, as well as knowledge and technical experience of/with the Internet eco-system won’t have any need to be fellow. He/she is already expert. The original objective of the fellowship program is to bring people who need the fellowship to be able to attend an ICANN meeting, and the whole fellowship program for fellows during the meeting is more or less capacity building. So experts wouldn’t need the program and doesn’t give ICANN any added value. I propose: « sufficient educational background to understand the ICANN environment, good understanding of the English language, Interest in Internet in general, Interest in participating in the ICANN work ». Other diversity category: Civil Society, Internet end-users, global indigenous people are kind of stakeholders. They should be placed in the section « Stakeholders groups and constituencies. I don’t think we should target persons because they are victims of harassment or conflicts. Exclusion and extreme poverty fall under the region category when it is defined as « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». As a general remark, I don’t think we were asked to give our own interest only. I think we should give the best target for the whole ICANN. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114             +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 7 sept. 2018 à 08:01, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others. IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there. If you are a volunteer in ISOC  or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible. For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly. Kind regards Ricardo Holmquist 2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com>: Thank you Alan for sending this document.  I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years?  Kind regards, Sarah  On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program. The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached. With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC to ratify the criteria document. 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Hi all, I support having no upper limit. (It is difficult to determine the perfect upper limit is 55 better than 65 , I don't know..) Best Hadia ________________________________ From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Sent: 12 September 2018 17:54 To: Jean-Jacques Subrenat; Eduardo Diaz; Tijani BEN JEMAA Cc: ALAC Working List; Alan Greenberg Subject: Re: [ALAC] SHORT Consensus Call: Fellowship Selection Criteria Indeed -- kids grown up and gone, no longer tied to traditional jobs, etc. etc. Marita On 9/12/2018 9:44 AM, Jean-Jacques Subrenat wrote: Eduardo +1. Jean-Jacques (78) Le 12 septembre 2018 à 14:44:00, Eduardo Diaz (eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>) a écrit: I may want to start at 70 because I may have the energy, desire, experience, knowledge and time to do this type of volunteer work. After all it is more mental than physical. -ed On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:40 AM Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote: Seun, The upper age limit is there because the fellowship should benefit to people who may become ICANN leaders while if you start being fellow at 70, when you will become leader? But I would be fine if the majority want no upper limit. As for having 2 sets of requirements for the skill (one for meetings A & C and one for meeting B), I agree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114<tel:+216%2098%20330%20114> +216 52 385 114<tel:+216%2052%20385%20114> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 11 sept. 2018 à 10:00, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> a écrit : I agree with Tijani's comments but with caveats on 2 points: Age: Am fine with the lower band limit since there is nextgen hence younger ones should use that but I personally don't see a need for upper band limit. Skills: I agree with the comments but I think experience in ICANN processes should still be maintained for B meeting. I do think that having 2 sets of requirement for the meetings will be better. One that is less strong on ICANN participation for meetings A and C and then another for meetings B which is more focused on prior participation/understanding of ICANN processes Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, 12:08 Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn>> wrote: Dear all, I would like to thank the outreach and engagement sub-committee for providing this good draft. Nevertheless, I have concerns in the following categories of diversity: Region, Age, Skills and other diversity category: * Region: As it is written here, we may have the whole selected fellows from the global north (people with sufficient wealth to come to ICANN meetings on their own expenses). My proposal is « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». * Age: I agree with Sarah and Ricardo that limiting the age to 40 years is to avoid. I propose in stead « 24 - 55 years) * Skills: Someone skilled in ICANN policy development with ability to analyse data from an Internet end user perspective, as well as knowledge and technical experience of/with the Internet eco-system won’t have any need to be fellow. He/she is already expert. The original objective of the fellowship program is to bring people who need the fellowship to be able to attend an ICANN meeting, and the whole fellowship program for fellows during the meeting is more or less capacity building. So experts wouldn’t need the program and doesn’t give ICANN any added value. I propose: « sufficient educational background to understand the ICANN environment, good understanding of the English language, Interest in Internet in general, Interest in participating in the ICANN work ». * Other diversity category: Civil Society, Internet end-users, global indigenous people are kind of stakeholders. They should be placed in the section « Stakeholders groups and constituencies. I don’t think we should target persons because they are victims of harassment or conflicts. Exclusion and extreme poverty fall under the region category when it is defined as « Underserved regions and global underserved communities ». As a general remark, I don’t think we were asked to give our own interest only. I think we should give the best target for the whole ICANN. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114<tel:+216%2098%20330%20114> +216 52 385 114<tel:+216%2052%20385%20114> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 7 sept. 2018 à 08:01, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris@gmail.com<mailto:rihogris@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi, same question of Sarah. I was one of the fellows over 40 years, as well as Alfredo Calderon, and several others. IMHO, people over this range of age have more time to engage in this kind of tasks, unless they are also engaged in any part of the community as workers. I mean, if you work for a RIR, any Internet association, a University Professor, a Govermental employee in a Internet Governance office, a Law firm interested in IP, or a Registry or Registrar, part of your job will be ICANN. Your boss will now who is ICANN, and most times will be happy you are there. If you are a volunteer in ISOC or at any other Internet related association, or an Individual member, you should have a regular job. Under 40 years you are in your most productive time, usually with kids in their scholar process. Taking 7-10 days to assist to a meeting, and if engaged, time to do so, doesn´t sound feasible. For the At-Large community, most of its dedicated members came from the second, not from the first. You can check ALAC, very few exceptions are under 40. This age top, will affect us mostly. Kind regards Ricardo Holmquist 2018-09-07 6:25 GMT+02:00 Sarah Kiden <skiden@gmail.com<mailto:skiden@gmail.com>>: Thank you Alan for sending this document. I have a question regarding the age that has specified in the attached document. The fellowship requirement is for applicants to be above 21 years of age but there is no maximum age mentioned. Is there a reason why this document states 24 - 40 years? Kind regards, Sarah On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 00:01 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Along with the need to select a Fellowship Selection Committee Member representing the ALAC, we have been asked to make suggestions on the criteria for selection and places to publicize the program. The SC on Outreach and Engagement was given the task of working on the latter document. the result (with a minor change to include regional IGF meetings) is attached. With this message, I am initiating a SHORT Consensus Call of the ALAC to ratify the criteria document. This Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Sunday, 9 September 2018. If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly. Although messages indicating support are welcome, they are not necessary. This Consensus Call will be deemed to have succeeded in the absence of significant opposition (greater than 20% as specified by ALAC RoP 12.3.3.1). 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