Draft Statement on the questions from IGO/INGO PDP WG
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names. Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later. Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC. I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki. A copy is attached here for your convenience.
On 6 January 2013 04:58, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
+1 - Evan
Thanks Alan for the update. I disagree with the broad sweep in which the questions 1 - 4 were answered and have written substantively in the past so will not be regurgitating my arguments nor position. Kind Regards, Sala On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg<https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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Hi Sala, I read your 13-page submission dated September 24, and some of the useful history and background in that document has indeed helped guide my component of the analysis contained in Alan's proposed statement. I'm not completely sure what you mean by "broad sweep". We are simply re-iterating the position, which I believe has been well debated, that: - Combining the IOC and Red Cross positions is a severe mistake, with severe negative consequences, that should still be undone - There is an end-user interest in limited protection for organizations that engage in end user facing activities and have demonstrated potential of harm through domain name abuse. This criteria excludes many of the INGOs currently requesting protection, but indeed (in our opinion) should extend beyond that realm and include charities such as NSF and Oxfam which have the potential for actual and real fraud and use confusion. As ALAC makes statements to the Board, the GNSO activity and PDPs are one part -- but only one part -- of our concern. It is the Board, based on GAC prodding, that is lumping the IOC and ICRC protections together, and introducing the issues of INGOs, while ignoring other real potential for end user fraud or abuse. As such it is the Board that must be advised that this is an ongoing and serious mistake. And it is this Board direction that is driving the current GNSO directions. In this light -- and given At-Large's bylaw-mandated responsibility to advise not only GNSO processes but also the Board and the rest of the community on the big-picture issues at hand -- I would like to know, specifically, which components of the proposed statement are objectionable to you. I have re-read your input and cannot easily extract such analysis. - Evan On 6 January 2013 09:18, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Alan for the update.
I disagree with the broad sweep in which the questions 1 - 4 were answered and have written substantively in the past so will not be regurgitating my arguments nor position.
Kind Regards, Sala
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg<; https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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I read the submissions in their entirety. So far as I see, they conform to previously public positions taken by the ALAC in context, all of which had my support. My positions remain, unchanged. I do not think these positions require a formal vote. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg<https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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I have read the document and agree with it. By the way, there is a small typo in the last sentence in question 4. It should be "the" ALAC is particularly...". -ed On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>wrote:
I read the submissions in their entirety. So far as I see, they conform to previously public positions taken by the ALAC in context, all of which had my support. My positions remain, unchanged.
I do not think these positions require a formal vote.
-Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg<; https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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Dear ALAC colleagues, Please find attached a paper contribution by Dr. Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation, which is intended to provide an input to the ALAC’s discussion on the protection of names of international inter-governmental organisations (IGOs) and international non-governmental organisations (INGOs). The ALAC Excom had agreed to solicit Dr. Kurbalija's input on this topic to help inform ALAC interventions. Dr. Kurbalija is copied on this mail in case you wish to have some interaction with him regarding the topic. Best regards, Rinalia On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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IMO, a very good channeling for all that is sense-making re these matters; a more detailed - and therefore extended - framework for the ALAC statement. I think the criteria laid out for determining special protected status is eminently sensible and defensible. We might wish to review and adopt this document as definitive to ALAC's thinking; give it some official status. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear ALAC colleagues,
Please find attached a paper contribution by Dr. Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation, which is intended to provide an input to the ALAC’s discussion on the protection of names of international inter-governmental organisations (IGOs) and international non-governmental organisations (INGOs). The ALAC Excom had agreed to solicit Dr. Kurbalija's input on this topic to help inform ALAC interventions.
Dr. Kurbalija is copied on this mail in case you wish to have some interaction with him regarding the topic.
Best regards,
Rinalia
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>wrote:
IMO, a very good channeling for all that is sense-making re these matters; a more detailed - and therefore extended - framework for the ALAC statement.
I think the criteria laid out for determining special protected status is eminently sensible and defensible. We might wish to review and adopt this document as definitive to ALAC's thinking; give it some official status.
-Carlton
+1
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear ALAC colleagues,
Please find attached a paper contribution by Dr. Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation, which is intended to provide an input to the ALAC’s discussion on the protection of names of international inter-governmental organisations (IGOs) and international non-governmental organisations (INGOs). The ALAC Excom had agreed to solicit Dr. Kurbalija's input on this topic to help inform ALAC interventions.
Dr. Kurbalija is copied on this mail in case you wish to have some interaction with him regarding the topic.
Best regards,
Rinalia
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca
wrote:
The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.
Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg. Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.
Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.
I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.
A copy is attached here for your convenience.
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participants (6)
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Alan Greenberg -
Carlton Samuels -
Eduardo Diaz -
Evan Leibovitch -
Rinalia Abdul Rahim -
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro