ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know. Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired. <http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda [Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008] Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President’s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee’s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee’s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board’s Compensation Committee Report President’s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
Wendy on the travel policy, I'd like you to specifically ascertain (and get back to us), when was our advice (the Formal ALAC Statement) discussed - when did it get passed to the board, what did you say to them about it? Basically one issue is when we send an advice or Statement through we don't even get a receipt note let alone an idea it has ever been distributed dealt with or looked at or read by anyone *sigh* CLO -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:21 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know. Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired. <http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda [Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008] Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President’s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee’s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee’s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board’s Compensation Committee Report President’s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
Hi I agree with Cheryl. One of the major issues, I think, is the Board's reaction to ALAC's advisory role - when Alac sends advice adn statements, are they considered or even read? There's no indication in the Board minutes that this happens. ALAC previously did raise this issue when Vint was Chair, and got an assurance that each statement would be read and considered and that we would get feedback, but I haven't seen this continue. Jacqueline Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
Wendy on the travel policy, I'd like you to specifically ascertain (and get back to us), when was our advice (the Formal ALAC Statement) discussed - when did it get passed to the board, what did you say to them about it? Basically one issue is when we send an advice or Statement through we don't even get a receipt note let alone an idea it has ever been distributed dealt with or looked at or read by anyone *sigh*
CLO
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:21 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda
[Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008]
Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President’s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee’s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee’s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board’s Compensation Committee Report President’s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session
If it is helpful, the Travel statement went to the Board on 5th May, to the Secretary by email from Cheryl, alongside two other ALAC Advisories to the Board sent at the same time and in the same email. On 27/08/2008 17:34, "Cheryl Langdon-Orr" <cheryl@hovtek.com.au> wrote: Wendy on the travel policy, I'd like you to specifically ascertain (and get back to us), when was our advice (the Formal ALAC Statement) discussed - when did it get passed to the board, what did you say to them about it? Basically one issue is when we send an advice or Statement through we don't even get a receipt note let alone an idea it has ever been distributed dealt with or looked at or read by anyone *sigh* CLO -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:21 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know. Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired. <http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda [Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008] Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President's Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee's Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee's Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board's Compensation Committee Report President's Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
If it is helpful, the Travel statement went to the Board on 5th May, to the Secretary by email from Cheryl, alongside two other ALAC Advisories to the Board sent at the same time and in the same email.
It is helpful, as I was not included on that correspondence, nor asked to do anything with the statements. I do not believe copies were ever circulated to the Board lists. In the future, I might recommend including the liaison in these transmissions. In that case, I would be better prepared to follow up quickly to ask for the Board's review and response. --Wendy
On 27/08/2008 17:34, "Cheryl Langdon-Orr" <cheryl@hovtek.com.au> wrote:
Wendy on the travel policy, I'd like you to specifically ascertain (and get back to us), when was our advice (the Formal ALAC Statement) discussed - when did it get passed to the board, what did you say to them about it? Basically one issue is when we send an advice or Statement through we don't even get a receipt note let alone an idea it has ever been distributed dealt with or looked at or read by anyone *sigh*
CLO
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:21 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda
[Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008]
Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President's Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee's Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee's Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board's Compensation Committee Report President's Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
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wow - yes, wendy of course the Board Liaison should always be copied on correspondence if we want her to be able to liaise properly... JAM Wendy Seltzer wrote:
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
If it is helpful, the Travel statement went to the Board on 5th May, to the Secretary by email from Cheryl, alongside two other ALAC Advisories to the Board sent at the same time and in the same email.
It is helpful, as I was not included on that correspondence, nor asked to do anything with the statements. I do not believe copies were ever circulated to the Board lists.
In the future, I might recommend including the liaison in these transmissions. In that case, I would be better prepared to follow up quickly to ask for the Board's review and response.
--Wendy
On 27/08/2008 17:34, "Cheryl Langdon-Orr" <cheryl@hovtek.com.au> wrote:
Wendy on the travel policy, I'd like you to specifically ascertain (and get back to us), when was our advice (the Formal ALAC Statement) discussed - when did it get passed to the board, what did you say to them about it? Basically one issue is when we send an advice or Statement through we don't even get a receipt note let alone an idea it has ever been distributed dealt with or looked at or read by anyone *sigh*
CLO
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:21 AM To: At-Large writ small Subject: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda
[Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008]
Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President's Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee's Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee's Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board's Compensation Committee Report President's Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
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Wendy Seltzer wrote:
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
While there are massive concerns about the travel policy, my personal inclination would be to leave that off the table at this meeting as an explicit item. I would prefer for At-Large to have concrete counter-proposals, perhaps backed by some of Alan's excellent analysis. I feel it is important not to simply be reactive and negative. I would also like to say that we continue to work with Staff on good-faith efforts to refine the policy before going to the Board; however I am not encouraged by the lack of timely clarification of vague Staff statements regarding the policy. It is now more than one week since the "clarification" conference call, and we still are left with potentially misleading comments regarding the maintenance of the status quo pending ongoing discussions. OTOH, I agree with Cheryl and Jacqueline about the larger issue of the Board failing to heed (or maybe even read) what ALAC sends it. That is far more fundamental than the travel policy. I am extremely concerned about the last-minute, and undiscussed, travel policy rider on the Summit resolution, as much by the process as the product. That the ALAC liaison appears to have been shut out of the method that brought something to the Agenda that directly affected At-Large, is just astounding. - Evan
That being said, Are RALO people being funded for Cairo or not? At 27/08/2008 11:53 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Wendy Seltzer wrote:
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
While there are massive concerns about the travel policy, my personal inclination would be to leave that off the table at this meeting as an explicit item. I would prefer for At-Large to have concrete counter-proposals, perhaps backed by some of Alan's excellent analysis. I feel it is important not to simply be reactive and negative.
I would also like to say that we continue to work with Staff on good-faith efforts to refine the policy before going to the Board; however I am not encouraged by the lack of timely clarification of vague Staff statements regarding the policy. It is now more than one week since the "clarification" conference call, and we still are left with potentially misleading comments regarding the maintenance of the status quo pending ongoing discussions.
OTOH, I agree with Cheryl and Jacqueline about the larger issue of the Board failing to heed (or maybe even read) what ALAC sends it. That is far more fundamental than the travel policy. I am extremely concerned about the last-minute, and undiscussed, travel policy rider on the Summit resolution, as much by the process as the product. That the ALAC liaison appears to have been shut out of the method that brought something to the Agenda that directly affected At-Large, is just astounding.
- Evan
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Wendy, I believe from our conversation that one of the discomforts I (and probably others) had with this policy is due the fact that the policy came just when we started working well with the RALO + ALS structure and out of the blue just them will be not allowed to participate. Besides, the whole policy was designed under the "one fits all" principle and this will never work for volunteer world. Volunteers are not employees and we are here because we believe on bottom up participation among other things. My first suggestion would be: we have a budget - Let's define the demands and allow each SO's to work bottom up with the budget. I am sure the final solution will fit better to all demands. regards Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Wendy Seltzer Enviada em: quarta-feira, 27 de agosto de 2008 12:21 Para: At-Large writ small Assunto: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know. Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired. <http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda [Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008] Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President’s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee’s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee’s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board’s Compensation Committee Report President’s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
Thanks for these inputs. The Board will also be holding a workshop September 11-12. Should we ask to put some of these issues on the agenda for discussion then? Other issues that have generated discussion in ALAC recently, such as registrar accreditation agreement amendments? The issue of domain registrants' rights and public interests in domain registration? --Wendy Vanda Scartezini UOL wrote:
Wendy, I believe from our conversation that one of the discomforts I (and probably others) had with this policy is due the fact that the policy came just when we started working well with the RALO + ALS structure and out of the blue just them will be not allowed to participate. Besides, the whole policy was designed under the "one fits all" principle and this will never work for volunteer world. Volunteers are not employees and we are here because we believe on bottom up participation among other things. My first suggestion would be: we have a budget - Let's define the demands and allow each SO's to work bottom up with the budget. I am sure the final solution will fit better to all demands. regards
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action."
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-----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Wendy Seltzer Enviada em: quarta-feira, 27 de agosto de 2008 12:21 Para: At-Large writ small Assunto: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda
[Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008]
Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President’s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee’s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee’s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board’s Compensation Committee Report President’s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session
We're in the process of putting together an ALAC statement on the amendments to the registrar accreditation agreement. I hope to have it done by tomorrow and circulated shortly thereafter (I promised it to Tim Cole by tomorrow, Friday), so it could conceivably be ready by the 11th. BB -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:26 PM To: 'At-Large writ small' Subject: Re: [ALAC] RES: ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow Thanks for these inputs. The Board will also be holding a workshop September 11-12. Should we ask to put some of these issues on the agenda for discussion then? Other issues that have generated discussion in ALAC recently, such as registrar accreditation agreement amendments? The issue of domain registrants' rights and public interests in domain registration? --Wendy Vanda Scartezini UOL wrote:
Wendy, I believe from our conversation that one of the discomforts I (and probably others) had with this policy is due the fact that the policy came just when we started working well with the RALO + ALS structure and out of the blue just them will be not allowed to participate. Besides, the whole policy was designed under the "one fits all" principle and this will never work for volunteer world. Volunteers are not employees and we are here because we believe on bottom up participation among other things. My first suggestion would be: we have a budget - Let's define the demands and allow each SO's to work bottom up with the budget. I am sure the final solution will fit better to all demands. regards
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br P Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action."
"As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor."
-----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Wendy Seltzer Enviada em: quarta-feira, 27 de agosto de 2008 12:21 Para: At-Large writ small Assunto: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow
ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired.
<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda
[Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008]
Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President's Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee's Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee's Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board's Compensation Committee Report President's Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session
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I second. Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Vanda Scartezini UOL Envoyé : mercredi 27 août 2008 21:20 À : 'Wendy Seltzer'; 'At-Large writ small' Objet : [ALAC] RES: ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow Wendy, I believe from our conversation that one of the discomforts I (and probably others) had with this policy is due the fact that the policy came just when we started working well with the RALO + ALS structure and out of the blue just them will be not allowed to participate. Besides, the whole policy was designed under the "one fits all" principle and this will never work for volunteer world. Volunteers are not employees and we are here because we believe on bottom up participation among other things. My first suggestion would be: we have a budget - Let's define the demands and allow each SO's to work bottom up with the budget. I am sure the final solution will fit better to all demands. regards Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br ? Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informa��es existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados s�o para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso n�o seja o destinat�rio, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impr�prio das informa��es desta mensagem ser� tratado conforme a legisla��o em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Wendy Seltzer Enviada em: quarta-feira, 27 de agosto de 2008 12:21 Para: At-Large writ small Assunto: [ALAC] ICANN Board Meeting tomorrow ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know. Please also share any comments on other topics. I will bring the ALAC's concerns about the travel policy and support for RALO participants to the table, if that is desired. <http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/> 28 August 2008 Special Board Meeting Agenda [Agenda set by Executive Committee on 21 August 2008] Review Minutes from 31 July / 1 August Special Board Meeting President�s Monthly Report GNSO Council Restructuring Nominating Committee�s Recommendation for ICANN Bylaws Change regarding Criteria for Board Member Selection Redelegation of the .MS (Montserrat) Domain Ombudsman Budget Independent Reviews Status Report Board Finance Committee Report Board Governance Committee Report Board Governance Committee�s Recommendation for selection of the next Nominating Committee Chair Board�s Compensation Committee Report President�s Strategy Committee Report Other Business Board Executive Session -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
At 27/08/2008 11:21 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote: ICANN's board will meet tomorrow, with an agenda including substantial discussion of the GNSO Council Restructuring. If there are points to be added to that discussion, beyond those already raised regarding the importance of making room for Internet *users* on the Council (which I will re-emphasize), please let me know.
Wendy, my understanding was that the Board generally accepted the GNSO working group report which made a strong statement for "users" instead of registrants. So hopefully that one is a done-deal. If it raised its ugly head again, then I hope you will address it. Over and above that, the ALAC submitted a document endorsing and further elaborating on our statement appended to the WG report. It went well beyond what was said in the WG report comment, most particularly related to how we envisage users participating in the GNSO Non-commercial Stakeholders Group and what the Board must do to help ensure that it works. It was sent to the Board (via John Jeffrey) on Aug. 13. I trust you have a copy of that. We had planned to formally address some of the questions that were put by Denise on behalf of the Board. Unfortunately, it did not get addressed, buy you can find a list of what we were planning to address at https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?alac_comments_on_board_questions_regarrd... - also reproduced here for your convenience. I have heard NO negative comments on the proposal from any ALAC members. Most of the questions were already addressed in our previous document. The only question that we had not previously been addressed is the one on outside perceptions of complexity (the 5th question). We had already alluded to the answer, but to be clear, yes, this added complexity will not only impact internal workings and the need for more volunteer effort, but will add some confusion to those outside. Alan ================================================ In response to the working group report on GNSO Restructuring, the Board has asked the ALAC for comments on a number of issues. Below are the questions and Alan's suggested replies. Implications regarding the selection of Board seats Currently, Board members are elected by the entire GNSO Council. It has been perceived that this has led (unfairly) to Board members always coming from the Registrar/Registry community. The new proposal has each House electing its won Board member with the condition that both Board members cannot "come from" a user background, and both cannot come from the registrar/registry background. This is problematic, because it means that each Board member does not really represent the entire GNSO Council as envisioned by the Bylaws. After the fact, it was also realized that there may be no easy way to transition to this model. Various methods have been suggested that each House nominates candidates, but both houses vote. But this was not accepted. Our statement (if approved) already addresses this question. Implications of new voting thresholds for policy development and other Council operating matters and how they compare with current voting thresholds The thresholds seem to be a reasonable compromise amongst the existing GNSO constituencies and the ALAC has no specific problem with them. It is possible that they will prove to be unmanagable in some cases, but that is hard to predict one way or another. Consideration of implications regarding the future roles ofNominating Committee appointees, which may create pivot points because of the "simple majorities" in the proposed new thresholds As indicated in ALAC statement, we regret the disenfranchisement of one NomCom appointee, and the possible dilution of voting rights of the two others. We are not immediately worried about swing votes in majority-class votes. Consideration of the potential effects of various stakeholder representation options proposed by the working group As per the ALAC statement, we favour the lower ranges of suggested stakeholder group sizes. this will likely impact the number of councillors per current commercial constituencies, but all others will remain the same or grow. If and when new constituencies are added, finding a way to ensure that their views and need are represented on council my well be problematic, but that is a problem forced upon the GNSO by the stakeholder group model forced by the BGC report. Evaluation of whether the proposed Council structure will be understandable to the outside community and open enough to encourage formation and participation of new constituency groups; and Although the final proposal is less complex that some of those considered by the working group, the new concept of both houses and stakeholder groups does add significant complexity from an outsider's point of view and even to those inside of ICANN. As noted in the ALAC statement, this multiple hierarchy organization will complicate both the formation of constituencies, and the management of them. Explicit actions will need to be taken to minimize the impact. Consideration of transition issues and how transition could occur in an orderly and predictable manner. The proposed council is sufficiently different that clearly By-Law changes are required, including revamping of at least part of the PDP By-Laws. It is hard to understand how the new structure could function prior to such changes.
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Alan Greenberg -
Brendler, Beau -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Evan Leibovitch -
Jacqueline A. Morris -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Sébastien Bachollet -
Vanda Scartezini UOL -
Wendy Seltzer