Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM. This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days. If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Interesting Javier. We did say this in our previous submission -- there are professionals in this field ICANN should be using for thorny issues. That's why I am asking that these suggestions already submitted be brought forward. Maybe I could add this as an example of good suggestions in the other submissions that were never addressed. Marita On 7/30/2020 11:38 AM, Javier Rua wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this _Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:_
_ _
_https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... _
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Excellent! Thanks Marita. On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:54 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Interesting Javier. We did say this in our previous submission -- there are professionals in this field ICANN should be using for thorny issues. That's why I am asking that these suggestions already submitted be brought forward. Maybe I could add this as an example of good suggestions in the other submissions that were never addressed.
Marita On 7/30/2020 11:38 AM, Javier Rua wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this *Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:*
*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...> *
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Well we had use of one guy from one of these expert groups to help LACRALO to find a good agreement and the guy was quite good one. David PLUMB - David Plumb dplumb@cbi.org<mailto:dplumb@cbi.org> He had quite interesting previous experience dealing with strikes that went bad etc etc.. He had helped a lot our community. So it is not strange to ICANN to hire such people. kisses Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:54 To: Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: Dave Kissoondoyal <dkissoondoyal@gmail.com>, Joanna <joannakulesza@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps Interesting Javier. We did say this in our previous submission -- there are professionals in this field ICANN should be using for thorny issues. That's why I am asking that these suggestions already submitted be brought forward. Maybe I could add this as an example of good suggestions in the other submissions that were never addressed. Marita On 7/30/2020 11:38 AM, Javier Rua wrote: Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM. This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days. If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org><mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote: Dear ALAC Members, Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... Thank you, Evin Ashley Erdoğdu Policy Development Senior Coordinator Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Thank Vanda for the info, And very interesting that LACRALO did have an agreement. Is David Plump has the expertises in conflict resolution? I read sometimes back, that ICANN employed a conflict resolution expert for the EPDP but didn’t follow up to see if there was success there. On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:37 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
Well we had use of one guy from one of these expert groups to help LACRALO to find a good agreement and the guy was quite good one. David PLUMB - David Plumb dplumb@cbi.org
He had quite interesting previous experience dealing with strikes that went bad etc etc..
He had helped a lot our community. So it is not strange to ICANN to hire such people. kisses
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av.+Paulista+1159?entry=gmail&source=g>, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 *
*Sorry for any typos. *
*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> *Date: *Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:54 *To: *Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Cc: *Dave Kissoondoyal <dkissoondoyal@gmail.com>, Joanna < joannakulesza@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps
Interesting Javier. We did say this in our previous submission -- there are professionals in this field ICANN should be using for thorny issues. That's why I am asking that these suggestions already submitted be brought forward. Maybe I could add this as an example of good suggestions in the other submissions that were never addressed.
Marita
On 7/30/2020 11:38 AM, Javier Rua wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners
https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511
twitter: @javrua
skype: javier.rua1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this *Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:*
*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZEVwA/edit?usp=sharing>*
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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Thanks Vanda’s, Nadira Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank Vanda for the info, And very interesting that LACRALO did have an agreement. Is David Plump has the expertises in conflict resolution? I read sometimes back, that ICANN employed a conflict resolution expert for the EPDP but didn’t follow up to see if there was success there.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 9:37 PM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote: Well we had use of one guy from one of these expert groups to help LACRALO to find a good agreement and the guy was quite good one. David PLUMB - David Plumb dplumb@cbi.org
He had quite interesting previous experience dealing with strikes that went bad etc etc..
He had helped a lot our community. So it is not strange to ICANN to hire such people. kisses
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
Sorry for any typos.
From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:54 To: Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: Dave Kissoondoyal <dkissoondoyal@gmail.com>, Joanna <joannakulesza@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps
Interesting Javier. We did say this in our previous submission -- there are professionals in this field ICANN should be using for thorny issues. That's why I am asking that these suggestions already submitted be brought forward. Maybe I could add this as an example of good suggestions in the other submissions that were never addressed.
Marita
On 7/30/2020 11:38 AM, Javier Rua wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners
https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511
twitter: @javrua
skype: javier.rua1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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Hi Javier I dont think your idea is off-the-wall at all. ICANN has already introduced a mediator to work with conflict resolution in all sorts of situations. And she is excellent to work with. I think that for something like the EPDP and MSM which has got a multitude of high level decision makers who believe that their views should take priority over the views of other groups, then it probably does need a different set of experts of the ilk you have mentioned who are skilled at facilitating discussions at this level. Nothing wrong with adding that as a recommendation into the mix. M On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 5:38 am Javier Rua, <javrua@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this *Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:*
*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...> *
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Thx Maureen. I know that there’s good experience in mediation. But I would go deeper: What if at the start of a WG or WT we kind of knew would be contentious ICANN professionally kicked it off with a 1 or 2 day in person stakeholders workshop, parsing out issues, sides, sensitivities and looking for potential solutions since day one? Lots of time and money and distress would be saved! Thx again Maureen & Marita earlier for these replies today! On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:52 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Javier
I dont think your idea is off-the-wall at all. ICANN has already introduced a mediator to work with conflict resolution in all sorts of situations. And she is excellent to work with.
I think that for something like the EPDP and MSM which has got a multitude of high level decision makers who believe that their views should take priority over the views of other groups, then it probably does need a different set of experts of the ilk you have mentioned who are skilled at facilitating discussions at this level. Nothing wrong with adding that as a recommendation into the mix.
M
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 5:38 am Javier Rua, <javrua@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:
Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this *Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:*
*https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...> *
Thank you,
Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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