Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN âs Multistakeholder Model Next Steps
The EPDP did use facilitators. They were David Plumb and Gina Bartlett from CBI. Alan At 2020-07-30 03:19 PM, Javier Rua wrote:
Thx Maureen. I know that thereâs good experience in mediation. But I would go deeper: What if at the start of a WG or WT we kind of knew would be contentious ICANN professionally kicked it off with a 1 or 2 day in person stakeholders workshop, parsing out issues, sides, sensitivities and looking for potential solutions since day one? Lots of time and money and distress would be saved!
Thx again Maureen & Marita earlier for these replies today!
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:52 PM Maureen Hilyard <<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Javier
I dont think your idea is off-the-wall at all. ICANN has already introduced a mediator to work with conflict resolution in all sorts of situations. And she is excellent to work with.
I think that for something like the EPDP and MSM which has got a multitude of high level decision makers who believe that their views should take priority over the views of other groups, then it probably does need a different set of experts of the ilk you have mentioned who are skilled at facilitating discussions at this level. Nothing wrong with adding that as a recommendation into the mix.
M
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 5:38 am Javier Rua, <<mailto:javrua@gmail.com>javrua@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). Iâve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners <https://reospartners.com/>https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great âbang for the buckâ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 <https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua>https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <<mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org>evin.erdogdu@icann.org> wrote:

Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANNâs Multistakeholder Model Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:
Thank you,
Evin Ashley ErdoÄdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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That what I have informed to this group that LACRALO had David Plumb to help us and it was quite good, so we reach to a clear end on our bylaws, rules of procedure and elections. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 16:40 To: Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Cc: Dave Kissoondoyal <dkissoondoyal@gmail.com>, Joanna <joannakulesza@gmail.com>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN ’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps The EPDP did use facilitators. They were David Plumb and Gina Bartlett from CBI. Alan At 2020-07-30 03:19 PM, Javier Rua wrote: Thx Maureen. I know that there’s good experience in mediation. But I would go deeper: What if at the start of a WG or WT we kind of knew would be contentious ICANN professionally kicked it off with a 1 or 2 day in person stakeholders workshop, parsing out issues, sides, sensitivities and looking for potential solutions since day one? Lots of time and money and distress would be saved! Thx again Maureen & Marita earlier for these replies today! On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:52 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Javier I dont think your idea is off-the-wall at all. ICANN has already introduced a mediator to work with conflict resolution in all sorts of situations. And she is excellent to work with. I think that for something like the EPDP and MSM which has got a multitude of high level decision makers who believe that their views should take priority over the views of other groups, then it probably does need a different set of experts of the ilk you have mentioned who are skilled at facilitating discussions at this level. Nothing wrong with adding that as a recommendation into the mix. M On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 5:38 am Javier Rua, <javrua@gmail.com<mailto:javrua@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM. This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days. If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org<mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org> > wrote:  Dear ALAC Members, Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... Thank you, Evin Ashley ErdoÄŸdu Policy Development Senior Coordinator Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA... ) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Folks I hope what we are discussing would be the possibility of ways to reach consensus with the other SO/ACs. AS Alan points out, facilitators were used in the the EPDP context where there were - and are still - significant differences between (and within) the various constituencies. Holly
On Jul 31, 2020, at 5:47 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
That what I have informed to this group that LACRALO had David Plumb to help us and it was quite good, so we reach to a clear end on our bylaws, rules of procedure and elections.
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 16:40 To: Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com <mailto:javrua@gmail.com>>, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Cc: Dave Kissoondoyal <dkissoondoyal@gmail.com <mailto:dkissoondoyal@gmail.com>>, Joanna <joannakulesza@gmail.com <mailto:joannakulesza@gmail.com>>, 'ALAC List' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] ACTION/ALAC by Friday, 31 July 17 UTC: ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN ’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps
The EPDP did use facilitators. They were David Plumb and Gina Bartlett from CBI.
Alan
At 2020-07-30 03:19 PM, Javier Rua wrote:
Thx Maureen. I know that there’s good experience in mediation. But I would go deeper: What if at the start of a WG or WT we kind of knew would be contentious ICANN professionally kicked it off with a 1 or 2 day in person stakeholders workshop, parsing out issues, sides, sensitivities and looking for potential solutions since day one? Lots of time and money and distress would be saved!
Thx again Maureen & Marita earlier for these replies today!
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:52 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Javier
I dont think your idea is off-the-wall at all. ICANN has already introduced a mediator to work with conflict resolution in all sorts of situations. And she is excellent to work with.
I think that for something like the EPDP and MSM which has got a multitude of high level decision makers who believe that their views should take priority over the views of other groups, then it probably does need a different set of experts of the ilk you have mentioned who are skilled at facilitating discussions at this level. Nothing wrong with adding that as a recommendation into the mix.
M
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 5:38 am Javier Rua, <javrua@gmail.com <mailto:javrua@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello to all. IMHO, an aspect that seems absent from this discussion is the possibility of professional facilitation in thorny issues, to the extent compatible with MSM.
This idea might go a bit against the grain in terms of community self-governance which cannot be underestimated, but there are profesional entities out there that are experts in getting diverse and even enemy groups to sit down and negotiate (from peace / reconciliation agreements among guerrillas and states, to more run of the mill, less bellicose disagreements). I’ve seen these entities in action (I remember one called REOS Partners https://reospartners.com/ <https://reospartners.com/>) and I believe these professional approaches could help a contentious working group be more purposeful, efficient and effective-Maybe pack months of work into a few days.
If this notion is seen completely out of the ICANN MSM self-governance comfort zone, perhaps one of these professional organizations could help train ICANN community volunteer/leaders and perhaps also ICANN staff, on these communication and consensus building techniques. ICANN org would get great ‘bang for the buck’ in investments such as these, which would both enhance participation and speed-up processes in WGs & PDPs.
Javier Rúa-Jovet
+1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua <https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua>
On Jul 30, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu@icann.org <mailto:evin.erdogdu@icann.org> > wrote:

Dear ALAC Members,
Please see the ALAC Statement on Enhancing the Effectiveness of ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model – Next Steps and provide comments, if any, by this Friday, 31 July at 17:00 UTC:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l8hAOyuL4XiTS-yzGbpgOk7pl4hSpH4yeMNxxiZE...>
Thank you,
Evin Ashley ErdoÄŸdu
Policy Development Senior Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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