Sala, I echo Evan's comment (but note that I think he meant "IGOs currently requesting protection" in his second bullet). If you think that there are statements here that do not represent the feelings of the majority of the ALAC, please state them in as clear and concise way as possible, to advise both Evan and I as well as the rest of the ALAC. Alan At 06/01/2013 12:21 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

Hi Sala,

I read your 13-page submission dated September 24, and some of the useful history and background in that document has indeed helped guide my component of the analysis contained in Alan's proposed statement.

I'm not completely sure what you mean by "broad sweep". We are simply re-iterating the position, which I believe has been well debated, that:

* Combining the IOC and Red Cross positions is a severe mistake, with severe negative consequences, that should still be undone * There is an end-user interest in limited protection for organizations that engage in end user facing activities and have demonstrated potential of harm through domain name abuse. This criteria excludes many of the INGOs currently requesting protection, but indeed (in our opinion) should extend beyond that realm and include charities such as NSF and Oxfam which have the potential for actual and real fraud and use confusion.

As ALAC makes statements to the Board, the GNSO activity and PDPs are one part -- but only one part -- of our concern. It is the Board, based on GAC prodding, that is lumping the IOC and ICRC protections together, and introducing the issues of INGOs, while ignoring other real potential for end user fraud or abuse. As such it is the Board that must be advised that this is an ongoing and serious mistake. And it is this Board direction that is driving the current GNSO directions.

In this light -- and given At-Large's bylaw-mandated responsibility to advise not only GNSO processes but also the Board and the rest of the community on the big-picture issues at hand -- I would like to know, specifically, which components of the proposed statement are objectionable to you. I have re-read your input and cannot easily extract such analysis.

- Evan

On 6 January 2013 09:18, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Alan for the update. I disagree with the broad sweep in which the questions 1 - 4 were answered and have written substantively in the past so will not be regurgitating my arguments nor position. Kind Regards, Sala On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:

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The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has requested that ACs and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special protections of IGO/INGO names.

Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at

<https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg>https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg<https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>.

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Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but there should be no problem with getting it in a bit later.

Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were substantive and the document has his support. We both believe that it conforms well to positions previously taken by the ALAC.

I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to a formal ALAC vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to ensure that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC feelings. So please post your comments to the Wiki.

A copy is attached here for your convenience.

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