ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais
Dear members: We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org
I'm not quite sure why the wiki-cleaner removed my comment, but I think the draft amendments are absurd. Any time members could spend reviewing these and counting up their participation minutes would be far better spent on policy matters, such as whether the AGP implementation changes address our tasting concerns, <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agp-draft-20oct08-en.html>, or reviewing newly-posted drafts on the new gTLDs process <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-21oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtld-program.htm> --Wendy At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear members:
We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: +1.914.374.0613 Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
I must have been the guilty party though I don¹t know how; all I did was save the changes to show the new language versions. I wonder if the slow refreshing of pages somehow left the comments out due to my saving before it refreshed? Obviously this is not good though. I¹ll report it to Yan and through her to SocialText and my apologies! On 22/10/2008 11:28, "Wendy Seltzer" <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
I'm not quite sure why the wiki-cleaner removed my comment, but I think the draft amendments are absurd.
Any time members could spend reviewing these and counting up their participation minutes would be far better spent on policy matters, such as whether the AGP implementation changes address our tasting concerns, <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agp-draft-20oct08-en.html>,
or reviewing newly-posted drafts on the new gTLDs process <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-21oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtld-program.htm>
--Wendy
At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear members:
We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found >> at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: +1.914.374.0613 Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
-- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA DD: +1 (310) 578-8637 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Regarding domain tasting, the record will show that the LACRALO Secretariat proposed that if the AGP was a contractual obligation, the organic resolution was to remove the profit incentive from its exploitation. LACRALO adopted this position. It appears the proposal as outlined has also adopted this straightforward solution, albeit with a little weakness. In our view, the weakness it that the rules proposed are not applicable to all operators and binding on all Registrars. Our opposition to the grounds outlined for new gTLD string objection in the operator application process was early and is well-known. As a student of history, it reminded me of the thinking that gave us the legacy of the British colonial "Sus" laws, which were just as uncivilized. I say again: that 'public order and morality" clause contained in the gTLD application objection process debases the ideal of an allegedly global process, is offensive to reason and injurious to the commonweal. This general position was also adopted by LACRALO and, eventually, the ALAC. In my own view, it is disingenuous, at best, to promote the idea of 'fixing' this in the "implementation process". And I am unanimous on that. Carlton BTW, counting minutes as a measure of "participation" is plain....well, wrong-headed too, eh! And I say this as a guy who sells knowledge services by the hour!! -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 04:28 AM To: At-Large Staff Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais I'm not quite sure why the wiki-cleaner removed my comment, but I think the draft amendments are absurd. Any time members could spend reviewing these and counting up their participation minutes would be far better spent on policy matters, such as whether the AGP implementation changes address our tasting concerns, <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-20oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agp-draft-20oct08-en.html>, or reviewing newly-posted drafts on the new gTLDs process <http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-21oct08-en.htm> <http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtld-program.htm> --Wendy At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear members:
We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: +1.914.374.0613 Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 21/10/2008 02:10 PM
Hi all, In my mind, this draft may go somewhat over the top and I do agree that a re-draft needs to be done but we DO need something like this in place. When we see charts of approximately 50% of our ALAC members NOT meeting minimum participation standards then we have a huge problem that must be addressed. For what Wendy said about counting minutes - nothing in this paper calls for that. Your attendance is automatically counted at each meeting and conference call. Your e-mails are automatically counted on the lists. Your participations in groups is automatically logged. This will not mean any extra time for anybody (except to actually DO what they volunteered to do). As Alan mentioned, there does seem to be a lot of onus put on the Chair but there is a point there that the chair needs to contact the RALO for input into what needs to be done. There is also a system where the Chair must give several cautions before anything is done. It also has the provision that if an ALAC member has extreme illness or family difficulties, they can be excused from the provisions. This seems pretty fair to me. Alan, you also mentioned, "But writing rules such as these almost sets the expectations that we are going to have a lot of people in violation of them. We should set reasonable expectations, and in the (hopefully rare) cases that people are not meeting them, take effective action." Unfortunately, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, we seem to have about 50% of ALAC members not complying with minimum standards so these, unfortunately, aren't rare cases. Also, this document gives actual time lines as to when the Chair must get involved. This way, the problem doesn't drag on for months and months as it seems to be doing right now. The wording about liaisons giving only the ALAC views and NOT their own views is excellent and needs to be enforced. Personally, I'm getting rather tired of seeing certain ALAC members/liaisons doing little or nothing within the ICANN mandate but going off three times a year to lovely junkets. I signed on as Secretariat thinking that I wasn't going to get ANY travel and have still maintained better stats than a lot of the ALAC members. Those who object to performance measurements are usually those who have the greatest need to fear them. (Not you, Alan - your performance is sterling and I look forward to hearing from you on how you would fix this wording when you have time). Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:31 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais Dear members: We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion draft of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found at: https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
participants (5)
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At-Large Staff -
Carlton Samuels -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Thompson, Darlene -
Wendy Seltzer