The main difference is that there are people on the current CROPP RT who may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach & Engagement SC. Or may be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the selection process is somewhat different. Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos. On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

Dear Alan,

thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the difference with the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning and is being led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh? Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people per Region, one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee.

Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the recommendation is that:

- CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per region.

- One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from among FBSC regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional leadership.

- One person from each region, representing the Outreach and Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of the Outreach and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership.

With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the ALAC to approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you oppose this, please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015.

For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to explicitly voice your support, but silence will be taken as agreement.

Alan

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I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is something that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore, then I would support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith. Ali On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

Hi Allan,

I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules stating that the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person and this person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team

Cheers, Judith

Sent from my iPad Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID: judithhellerstein

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On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

The main difference is that there are people on the current CROPP RT who may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach & Engagement SC. Or may be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the selection process is somewhat different.

Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

...

On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote: Dear Alan,

thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the difference with the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning and is being led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh? Kindest regards,

Olivier

...

On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote: The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people per Region, one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee.

Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the recommendation is that:

- CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per region.

- One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from among FBSC regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional leadership.

- One person from each region, representing the Outreach and Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of the Outreach and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership.

With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the ALAC to approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you oppose this, please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015.

For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to explicitly voice your support, but silence will be taken as agreement.

Alan

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That makes sense. A quick reminder why the people on the CROPP need to be either from the Finance & Budget Sub-committee or from the Outreach & Engagement Sub-committee: - FBSC: because the FBSC is tasked with drafting financial requests from the ALAC and also engaging in all matters related to ICANN's financial plan, strategic plan, operational plan. Knowledge of these matters is mandatory when approving/amending CROPP requests especially when it comes approving requests in-line with ICANN's strategy. - Outreach & Engagement: because CROPP stands for Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program - it is a program for *Outreach* so it makes sense that the Outreach & Engagement WG is directly involved. It would not make any sense that someone not a member of these sub-committees be a CROPP Review Team. Kind regards, Olivier On 06/03/2015 09:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:

I believe I argued that any "picks / suggestions" from a RALO should be actual effective contributors to their roles in FBSC or Outreach SC and so is in total keeping with the new outline distributed by Alan, and not the thought that Judith attributed to me... (Unless I was perhaps in a fugue state ;-)

*Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ... *(CLO)

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On 6 March 2015 at 17:56, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal@gmail.com> wrote:

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I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is something that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore, then I would support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith. Ali On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

...

Hi Allan,

I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules stating that the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person and this person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team

Cheers, Judith

Sent from my iPad Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID: judithhellerstein

...

On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: The main difference is that there are people on the current CROPP RT who may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach & Engagement SC. Or may be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the selection process is somewhat different. Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

...

On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond < ocl@gih.com> wrote: Dear Alan,

thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the difference with the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning and is being led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh? Kindest regards,

Olivier

...

On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote: The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people per Region, one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee.

Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the recommendation is that:

- CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per region.

- One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from among FBSC regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional leadership.

- One person from each region, representing the Outreach and Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of the Outreach and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership.

With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the ALAC to approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you oppose this, please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015.

For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to explicitly voice your support, but silence will be taken as agreement.

Alan

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Dear Ali, there are many working groups in At-Large that are open for everyone to join. Of these, a very small subset (4 out of 20) have participation where RALOs and the ALAC appoint members and the reason for this is that these need to perform specific tasks that require specific knowledge (both skills and historical) to take part, often under very tight timeline considerations. These are not a compatible environment where learning takes place. The Outreach and Engagement sub-committee is an open group so that's probably where someone can start if they wish to be involved more in At-Large activities. https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ For more information about all working groups, please consult: https://community.icann.org/x/loIi Kindest regards, Olivier On 06/03/2015 11:51, Ali AlMeshal wrote:

Thanks Olivier, While it make sense in one side "as you explained" , but on the other side you are limiting the participation of new members as well as you are giving more opportunity to the existing members of the FBSC and Outreach (in this example). In my personal view I can see this approach and concept is leading to "CLOSE Loop participation", which it should not be the case.

Ali

On 6 Mar 2015 11:53, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> wrote:

That makes sense.

A quick reminder why the people on the CROPP need to be either from the Finance & Budget Sub-committee or from the Outreach & Engagement Sub-committee:

- FBSC: because the FBSC is tasked with drafting financial requests from the ALAC and also engaging in all matters related to ICANN's financial plan, strategic plan, operational plan. Knowledge of these matters is mandatory when approving/amending CROPP requests especially when it comes approving requests in-line with ICANN's strategy. - Outreach & Engagement: because CROPP stands for Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program - it is a program for *Outreach* so it makes sense that the Outreach & Engagement WG is directly involved.

It would not make any sense that someone not a member of these sub-committees be a CROPP Review Team.

Kind regards,

Olivier

On 06/03/2015 09:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > I believe I argued that any "picks / suggestions" from a RALO should be > actual effective contributors to their roles in FBSC or Outreach SC and so > is in total keeping with the new outline distributed by Alan, and not the > thought that Judith attributed to me... (Unless I was perhaps in a fugue > state ;-) > > > *Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ... *(CLO) > > about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr> > [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me <http://about.me>] > <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr> > > > On 6 March 2015 at 17:56, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal@gmail.com <mailto:dralialmeshal@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is something >> that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore, then I would >> support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith. >> Ali >> On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Allan, >>> >>> I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules stating that >>> the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person and this >>> person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Judith >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Judith@jhellerstein.com <mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> >>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein >>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> >>> wrote: >>>> The main difference is that there are people on the current CROPP RT >> who >>> may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach & Engagement SC. Or >> may >>> be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the selection process >>> is somewhat different. >>>> Alan >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos. >>>> >>>>> On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond < >> ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> >>> wrote: >>>>> Dear Alan, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the difference with >>>>> the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning and is >>>>> being >>>>> led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh? >>>>> Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>> Olivier >>>>> >>>>>> On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote: >>>>>> The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people per Region, >>>>>> one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the recommendation >>>>> is >>>>>> that: >>>>>> >>>>>> - CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per region. >>>>>> >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from among FBSC >>>>>> regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC >>>>>> Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional >>>>>> leadership. >>>>>> >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the Outreach and >>>>>> Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of the Outreach >>>>>> and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership. >>>>>> >>>>>> With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the ALAC to >>>>>> approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you oppose this, >>>>>> please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015. >>>>>> >>>>>> For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to explicitly voice >>>>>> your support, but silence will be taken as agreement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>>> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>>>>> >>>>>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>>>>> ALAC Working Wiki: >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ALAC mailing list >>>>> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>>>> >>>>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>>>> ALAC Working Wiki: >>>>> >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ALAC mailing list >>>> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>>> >>>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>>> ALAC Working Wiki: >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>> >>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>> ALAC Working Wiki: >>> >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: >> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >> > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...> >

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Dear Olivier, I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this. If we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then makes us choose some one who is already active and not get a way to get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not these 2 specific ones, become more active These are my thoughts Judith Sent from my iPad Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID: judithhellerstein

On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Olivier, While it make sense in one side "as you explained" , but on the other side you are limiting the participation of new members as well as you are giving more opportunity to the existing members of the FBSC and Outreach (in this example). In my personal view I can see this approach and concept is leading to "CLOSE Loop participation", which it should not be the case.

Ali

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On 6 Mar 2015 11:53, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

That makes sense.

A quick reminder why the people on the CROPP need to be either from the Finance & Budget Sub-committee or from the Outreach & Engagement Sub-committee:

- FBSC: because the FBSC is tasked with drafting financial requests from the ALAC and also engaging in all matters related to ICANN's financial plan, strategic plan, operational plan. Knowledge of these matters is mandatory when approving/amending CROPP requests especially when it comes approving requests in-line with ICANN's strategy. - Outreach & Engagement: because CROPP stands for Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program - it is a program for *Outreach* so it makes sense that the Outreach & Engagement WG is directly involved.

It would not make any sense that someone not a member of these sub-committees be a CROPP Review Team.

Kind regards,

Olivier

...

On 06/03/2015 09:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: I believe I argued that any "picks / suggestions" from a RALO should be actual effective contributors to their roles in FBSC or Outreach SC and so is in total keeping with the new outline distributed by Alan, and not the thought that Judith attributed to me... (Unless I was perhaps in a fugue state ;-)

*Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ... *(CLO)

about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me] <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>

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On 6 March 2015 at 17:56, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is something that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore, then I would support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith. Ali On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

...

Hi Allan,

I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules stating that the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person and this person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team

Cheers, Judith

Sent from my iPad Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID: judithhellerstein

...

> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: The main difference is that there are people on the current CROPP RT who may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach & Engagement SC. Or may be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the selection process is somewhat different. Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

> On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond < ocl@gih.com> wrote: > Dear Alan, > > thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the difference with > the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning and is > being > led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh? > Kindest regards, > > Olivier > >> On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote: >> The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people per Region, >> one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee. >> >> Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the recommendation > is >> that: >> >> - CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per region. >> >> - One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from among FBSC >> regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC >> Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional >> leadership. >> >> - One person from each region, representing the Outreach and >> Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of the Outreach >> and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership. >> >> With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the ALAC to >> approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you oppose this, >> please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015. >> >> For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to explicitly voice >> your support, but silence will be taken as agreement. >> >> Alan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac

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HI Alan, I am not saying to put some one in a decision making role who is not active in any committee. I agree, I do not think this would be effective. I am just saying we should not have to restrict ourselves to only choosing some one who is a member/participant of the Outreach and Finance and Budget. We may want to choose some one who was an active member of another At Large working group or Committee. I think we should not restrict our choice to only those two committees. If some one is active on another committee RALO leaders may want to try and convince them to become the CROPP RT or join that committee if we think it would be a good fit for that person. I am just seeking to get this chance. I think this is also what Ali was also asking? I really thought that this was the addition was what Cheryl had put forward which is why I did not say anything in Singapore. Cheers!! Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 10:01 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:

Judith,

It is extremely important to get new people actively involved. Putting someone who is NOT actively involved an has no history in At-Large in a decision-making role is not, in my mind, the way to go. More specifically, giving someone decision making responsibility related to outreach and budget when they have shown no interest in either is not how I, as a hopefully responsible manager, would choose to go.

Moreover, if you read the requirements carefully, the person to be selected did not have to be a formal MEMBER of the SC, just a Participant. Both the FBSC and the planned O&E SC are open. All it takes to become a participant is to send an e-mail to Staff saying they want to be on the SC.

In any case, please see my next message on this subject.

Alan

At 06/03/2015 08:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:

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Dear Olivier,

I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this.

If we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then makes us choose some one who is already active and not get a way to get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not these 2 specific ones, become more active

These are my thoughts

Judith

HI Alan, It is not, but that could be after the fact and not before we choose people. Once we select them then they will become a member of those groups, but to restrict the selection to have to be a member of those 2 groups prior to selection restricts the selection. Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: [1]Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: [2]www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: [3]www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 12:29 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote: Is joining one of the "parent" groups really too onerous? Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos. On March 6, 2015 10:41:36 AM EST, Judith Hellerstein [4]<judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote: HI Alan, I am not saying to put some one in a decision making role who is not active in any committee. I agree, I do not think this would be effective. I am just saying we should not have to restrict ourselves to only choosing some one who i s a member/participant of the Outreach and Finance and Budget. We may want to choose some one who was an active member of another At Large working group or Committee. I think we should not restrict our choice to only those two committees. If some one is active on another committee RALO leaders may want to try and convince them to become the CROPP RT or join that committee if we think it would be a good fit for that person. I am just seeking to get this chance. I think this is also what Ali was also asking? I really thought that this was th e addition was what Cheryl had put forward which is why I did not say anything in Singapore. Cheers!! Judith ___________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: [5]Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: [6]www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: [7]www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 10:01 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote: Judith, It is extremely important to get new people actively involved. Putting someone who is NOT actively involved an has no history in At-Large in a decision-making role is not, in my mind, the way to go. More specifically, giving someone decision making responsibility relate d to outreach and budget when they have shown no interest in either is not how I, as a hopefully responsible manager, would choose to go. Moreover, if you read the requirements carefully, the person to be selected did not have to be a formal MEMBER of the SC, just a Participant. Both the FBSC and the planned O&E SC are open. All it takes to become a participant is to send an e-mail to Staff saying they want to be on the SC. In any case, please see my next message on this subject. Alan At 06/03/2015 08:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote: Dear Olivier, I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this. If we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then makes us choose some one who is already acti ve and not get a way to get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not these 2 specific ones, become more active These are my thoughts Judith References 1. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 2. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 4. mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com 5. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 6. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 7. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein

HI Leon and others, I think we are all agreeing on the same thing but calling it different names. I was just saying if some one was active in one working group for example, the Technology Task Force Group, but was not on the Outreach and Finance and budget group they should not be excluded from the opportunity to be selected as CROPP RT if their RALOs select them. The key here is to get some one who is active on one of the many At Large Groups and it does not have to be only restricted to people who are on the Outreach or Finance and Budget. So Leon I think you and I agree on this matter. Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: [1]Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: [2]www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: [3]www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 1:21 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote: Hi all, In my mind, selecting people before and then have them join a parent group would seem like filling in a blank required for the appointment and not the other way. I would agree not to create barriers but from my view the barriers are created by those wanting to be designated but not willing to collaborate in working groups. As my Mom said to me when I got an F on any school subject “The teacher didn’t get you that F. You got that yourself”. If someone has been active in this context, then automatically would be able to be designated. If that person hasn’t been active, then I wouldn’t find a reason for putting in said person a complex and demanding responsibility as the one we’re talking about. Those are just my thoughts. Best regards, León El 06/03/2015, a las 11:33, Judith Hellerstein <[4]judith@jhellerstein.com> escribió: HI Alan, It is not, but that could be after the fact and not before we choose people. Once we select them then they will become a member of those groups, but to restrict the selection to have to be a member of those 2 groups prior to selection restricts the selection. Judith _______________________________________________________________________ __ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: [1][5]Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: [2][6]www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: [3][7]www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 12:29 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote: Is joining one of the "parent" groups really too onerous? Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos. On March 6, 2015 10:41:36 AM EST, Judith Hellerstein [4]<[8]judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote: HI Alan, I am not saying to put some one in a decision making role who is not active in any committee. I agree, I do not think this would be effective. I am just saying we should not have to restrict ourselves to only choosing some one who i s a member/participant of the Outreach and Finance and Budget. We may want to choose some one who was an active member of another At Large working group or Committee. I think we should not restrict our choice to only those two committees. If some one is active on another committee RALO leaders may want to try and convince them to become the CROPP RT or join that committee if we think it would be a good fit for that person. I am just seeking to get this chance. I think this is also what Ali was also asking? I really thought that this was th e addition was what Cheryl had put forward which is why I did not say anything in Singapore. Cheers!! Judith ______________________________________________________________________ _____ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: [5][9]Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: [6][10]www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: [7][11]www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 10:01 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote: Judith, It is extremely important to get new people actively involved. Putting someone who is NOT actively involved an has no history in At-Large in a decision-making role is not, in my mind, the way to go. More specifically, giving someone decision making responsibility relate d to outreach and budget when they have shown no interest in either is not how I, as a hopefully responsible manager, would choose to go. Moreover, if you read the requirements carefully, the person to be selected did not have to be a formal MEMBER of the SC, just a Participant. Both the FBSC and the planned O&E SC are open. All it takes to become a participant is to send an e-mail to Staff saying they want to be on the SC. In any case, please see my next message on this subject. Alan At 06/03/2015 08:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote: Dear Olivier, I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this. If we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then makes us choose some one who is already acti ve and not get a way to get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not these 2 specific ones, become more active These are my thoughts Judith References 1. [12]mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 2. [13]http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 3. [14]http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 4. [15]mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com 5. [16]mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 6. [17]http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 7. [18]http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list [19]ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org [20]https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: [21]http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: [22]https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory +Committee+(ALAC) References 1. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 2. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 4. mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com 5. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 6. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 7. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 8. mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com 9. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 10. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 11. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 12. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 13. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 14. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ 15. mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com 16. mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com 17. http://www.jhellerstein.com/ 18. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein 19. mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org 20. https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac 21. http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ 22. https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28A...

Hi I think we really need dedicated persons for the CROPP RT since we have seen many examples of people not understanding the rules for the program, lack of prompt response for submission and missed opportunity. Glenn Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn@gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight . On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:

As I said when I cancelled the Consensus Call, the discussion will resume when I return. I will not have the bandwidth to follow the discussion until then.

Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

On March 6, 2015 12:33:42 PM EST, Judith Hellerstein < judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

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HI Alan,

It is not, but that could be after the fact and not before we choose people. Once we select them then they will become a member of those groups, but to restrict the selection to have to be a member of those 2 groups prior to selection restricts the selection.

Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 12:29 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:

Is joining one of the "parent" groups really too onerous?

Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

On March 6, 2015 10:41:36 AM EST, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

HI Alan, I am not saying to put some one in a decision making role who is not active in any committee. I agree, I do not think this would be effective. I am just saying we should not have to restrict ourselves to only choosing some one who is a member/participant of the Outreach and Finance and Budget. We may want to choose some one who was an active member of another At Large working group or Committee. I think we should not restrict our choice to only those two committees. If some one is active on another committee RALO leaders may want to try and convince them to become the CROPP RT or join that committee if we think it would be a good fit for that person. I am just seeking to get this chance. I think this is also what Ali was also asking? I really thought that this was the addition was what Cheryl had put forward which is why I did not say anything in Singapore. Cheers!! Judith _____________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/6/2015 10:01 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:

Judith, It is extremely important to get new people actively involved. Putting someone who is NOT actively involved an has no history in At-Large in a decision-making role is not, in my mind, the way to go. More specifically, giving someone decision making responsibility relate d to outreach and budget when they have shown no interest in either is not how I, as a hopefully responsible manager, would choose to go. Moreover, if you read the requirements carefully, the person to be selected did not have to be a formal MEMBER of the SC, just a Participant. Both the FBSC and the planned O&E SC are open. All it takes to become a participant is to send an e-mail to Staff saying they want to be on the SC. In any case, please see my next message on this subject. Alan At 06/03/2015 08:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein wrote:

Dear Olivier, I agree with Ali. What I thought Cheryl was suggesting in Singapore that the RALO can select a person to be the Cropp RT who is not currently on the outreach or budget. We want to expand the pool and the best way of doing this is to find people who are active contributors in one other forum and get them to take on a new role. We need to find a way to energize people in the RALOs to take on new responsibilities and one way of doing this is to ask people who have contributed in some other groups to take on a mor active role and become a cropp rt. We ate not going to choose people who will not be good at this as in NARALO we already have had the experience of having a person who is not active on any committees we want to avoid this and at the same time get new blood and new people interested in becoming involved and asking them to take a job is one way of doing this and is why I thought Cheryl had suggested this. If we are restricted to choosing people who currently are on outreach or budget it really constricts us on who we can appoint and then makes us choose some one who is already acti ve and not get a way to get more people active in leadership roles. The CROPP RT role is an important role but it is not so time consuming so is a good way to have a past contributor at meetings and working groups, just not these 2 specific ones, become more active These are my thoughts Judith

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