Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Hi everyone I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general. I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation. Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers? Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting. Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant. Comments welcome. Maureen
Dear Maureen, First of all, thank you very much for this email. I would like to apologize for not being able to participate in the discussions of ALAC and ICANN in the way that I wanted. Among other reasons, the pandemic has affected not only the way I work, but also it substantially reduced my income, which meant I had to spend time looking for others. Despite this, I must point out that I am lucky to have my job at the University, unlike many other ICANN's colleagues who have lost their job entirely. On the other hand, I would like to express my admiration to all the members of the At-Large community and ALAC who have devoted countless hours of their lives to ICANN during the pandemic. The truth is that ICANN faces a great challenge to retain volunteers, since as Maureen points out, there is no reward for the tireless work of volunteers in the midst of the Pandemic. If the situation continues in this way, at some point the "tireless" volunteers will begin to tire if there is no retribution in the near future. I am looking forward to the meeting on Tuesday, September 22. Regards Humberto Carrasco Blanc Abogado Profesor Derecho Económico - Comercial UCN LLM Queen Mary University of London PhD University of Edinburgh
El 17-09-2020, a las 22:02, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> escribió:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
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Thanks Maureen I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value i*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source * https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C... Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
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I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> ________________________________ From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Cc: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc. Thanks Maureen I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value ie "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C... Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi everyone I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general. I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation. Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers? Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting. Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant. Comments welcome. Maureen _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
From: ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Cc: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value ie "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C... <https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...>
Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org <http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome. Maureen _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac>
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Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on. It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering. Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods. M On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
------------------------------ *From:* ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM *To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Cc:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value i*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source *
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...
Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome. Maureen _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that ALAC delivers. Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done. How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN SO/ACs. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on. It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering.
Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods.
M
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen
as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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*From:* ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
*To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
*Cc:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen
I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value
i
*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source *
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...
Glenn McKnight, MA
Virtual School of Internet Governance
Chief Information Officer
www.virtualsig.org
*YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps
ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly
basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world?
In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings.
If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome.
Maureen
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Nadira The At-Large Review report was actually all about how we are improving our processes and systems so that we are in fact contributing much more effectively to the work of ICANN. This is what we were being congratulated for. I assure you that Avri's words, as the Chair of the Operational Effectiveness Committee, carry more weight than just an individual Board member. Also I hasten to add, that those words were very much supported by the Chair of the Board in his closing remarks on the resolution as well. Members of At-Large have a lot to be proud of. And the staff are keeping metrics on the participation of those who certainly deserve the accolades. The rest of ICANN know the worth of the CPWG and those who have ably represented At-Large in cross-community working groups. Our contribution is acknowledged which is why the CEO is making this unprecedented gesture by joining us in an intersessional meeting to solicit our views. At the same time, it doesnt matter how good we are, there is always room for improvement. M On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm Nadira Alaraj, <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that ALAC delivers. Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done. How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN SO/ACs.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on. It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering.
Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods.
M
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen
as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
*To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
*Cc:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen
I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value
i
*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source *
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...
Glenn McKnight, MA
Virtual School of Internet Governance
Chief Information Officer
www.virtualsig.org
*YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps
ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly
basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world?
In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings.
If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome.
Maureen
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Dear Maureen, I’m fully aware of the hard work ALAC is doing, that goes without saying. It seems you didn’t get my point. There is difference between how we at the At-Large perceive ourselves and how the others SO/AC perceive us-Jonathan point in warning us. As per Avri because because she does attend the CPWG meetings and she witness the efforts put and that makes her more aware of the hard work than anyone else. The approach that I wanted to pass here particularly we are requesting monetary acknowledgment of the volunteering efforts we need to provide an evidence of ALAC contributions to ICANN. Again, I’m putting the example that I’ve written earlier: If you mentioned how many public comments ALAC released during the ongoing pandemic period it will be a solid evidence. You can also list the number of different pen holders, the number of deferent drafting team who worked on these statements that also shows the effort in a tangible easy to give estimate of the number of hours invested in this work. Assuming that the other knows what we do at-large could be a false impression. I hope this time I made myself clear, Best wishes in your coming mission, Nadira On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:22 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Nadira
The At-Large Review report was actually all about how we are improving our processes and systems so that we are in fact contributing much more effectively to the work of ICANN. This is what we were being congratulated for.
I assure you that Avri's words, as the Chair of the Operational Effectiveness Committee, carry more weight than just an individual Board member. Also I hasten to add, that those words were very much supported by the Chair of the Board in his closing remarks on the resolution as well.
Members of At-Large have a lot to be proud of. And the staff are keeping metrics on the participation of those who certainly deserve the accolades. The rest of ICANN know the worth of the CPWG and those who have ably represented At-Large in cross-community working groups.
Our contribution is acknowledged which is why the CEO is making this unprecedented gesture by joining us in an intersessional meeting to solicit our views.
At the same time, it doesnt matter how good we are, there is always room for improvement.
M
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm Nadira Alaraj, <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that ALAC delivers. Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done. How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN SO/ACs.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on. It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering.
Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods.
M
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen
as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
*To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
*Cc:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen
I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value
i
*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source *
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...
Glenn McKnight, MA
Virtual School of Internet Governance
Chief Information Officer
www.virtualsig.org
*YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps
ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly
basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world?
In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings.
If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome.
Maureen
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Here is another US based study on the value of volunteerism https://independentsector.org/value-of-volunteer-time-2020/ Here is their rationale *Why Do We Calculate a Value of Volunteer Time?* *We know putting numbers to volunteer hours will never do them justice, but it is just one way for us to show the contributions individuals and organizations have made in our communities. The estimate helps acknowledge the millions of individuals who dedicate their time, talents, and energy to making a difference. Charitable organizations frequently use this estimate to quantify the enormous value volunteers provide.* Obviously we agree to disagree on this topic. G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 AM Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Maureen, I’m fully aware of the hard work ALAC is doing, that goes without saying. It seems you didn’t get my point. There is difference between how we at the At-Large perceive ourselves and how the others SO/AC perceive us-Jonathan point in warning us.
As per Avri because because she does attend the CPWG meetings and she witness the efforts put and that makes her more aware of the hard work than anyone else.
The approach that I wanted to pass here particularly we are requesting monetary acknowledgment of the volunteering efforts we need to provide an evidence of ALAC contributions to ICANN. Again, I’m putting the example that I’ve written earlier: If you mentioned how many public comments ALAC released during the ongoing pandemic period it will be a solid evidence. You can also list the number of different pen holders, the number of deferent drafting team who worked on these statements that also shows the effort in a tangible easy to give estimate of the number of hours invested in this work.
Assuming that the other knows what we do at-large could be a false impression.
I hope this time I made myself clear,
Best wishes in your coming mission, Nadira
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:22 AM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Nadira
The At-Large Review report was actually all about how we are improving our processes and systems so that we are in fact contributing much more effectively to the work of ICANN. This is what we were being congratulated for.
I assure you that Avri's words, as the Chair of the Operational Effectiveness Committee, carry more weight than just an individual Board member. Also I hasten to add, that those words were very much supported by the Chair of the Board in his closing remarks on the resolution as well.
Members of At-Large have a lot to be proud of. And the staff are keeping metrics on the participation of those who certainly deserve the accolades. The rest of ICANN know the worth of the CPWG and those who have ably represented At-Large in cross-community working groups.
Our contribution is acknowledged which is why the CEO is making this unprecedented gesture by joining us in an intersessional meeting to solicit our views.
At the same time, it doesnt matter how good we are, there is always room for improvement.
M
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm Nadira Alaraj, <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:
The positive comment that Avri mentioned was on a work related to At-Large community and not entire ICANN. The acknowledgment of one board member of the contributions is not enough. It is better not to depend on the assumptions but to provide Information on an actual contribution that ALAC delivers. Example: a list of all the advice statements that have been done. How many new active contributors At-large outreach can bring to ICANN SO/ACs.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:52 AM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking those comments about the Canadian study into account. I think the workload study which we should focus on. It gave us little snippets of comment from different personal perspectives about working in the midst of all this pandemic chaos - and still delivering.
Org are so impressed with the work that comes out of the CPWG as is Avri on the Board. She was so congratulatory about what she sees is best practice within the Working Groups and the resultant report of the At-Large Review. But this is happening even now because people are committed. We know what the norm is, but why do all rewards stop just because we can't meet as we did? Yet we, as a community, are still producing the goods.
M
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:45 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan’s warning. While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck < JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations, in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach, it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen
as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
------------------------------
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
*To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>
*Cc:* ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
*Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
Thanks Maureen
I have beating the drum for a while that ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution. Perhaps ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada to demonstrate our value
i
*e "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked." source *
https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20C...
Glenn McKnight, MA
Virtual School of Internet Governance
Chief Information Officer
www.virtualsig.org
*YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps
ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly
basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world?
In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings.
If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome.
Maureen
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Thank you Maureen and all those who contributed to the content of this email. “State the obvious” on ALAC active community of what ALAC contribute to ICANN work might be overlooked in the assumption that ALAC work talks about itself. Unfortunately, not all SOs or even other ACs knows this valuable input. I suggest as an intro to brief on an actual contributions how ALAC positions enhanced the PDP and ICANN org work. Nadira On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:03 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone
I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant.
Comments welcome. Maureen
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Glenn McKnight -
Holly Raiche -
Humberto Carrasco -
Jonathan Zuck -
Maureen Hilyard -
Nadira Alaraj