http://doodle.com/zgfdhcgwqeqyyx22 Here is the correct space for doodle poll for monthly call. Best Siranush
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:54:45 +0000 From: Siranush Vardanyan <siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com> To: "apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [APAC-Discuss] Reminder: Doodle for Monthly call time and day Message-ID: <DUB114-W2877916603D48D96E0EA56E1D70@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
Dear APRALO colleagues, This is a reminder for all those who didn't complete the doodle poll to do is ASAP, as we need to identify the most convenient time for our December monthly call. The link is here: http://doodle.com/zgfdhcgwqeqyyx22If the mentioned time slots are not convenient, please, complete it anyway, for us to identify for how many people those slots are not workable.Thanks a lot for your cooperation.SiranushSiranush VardanyanAPRALO Acting Chair
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Dear all,
Due to challenging time and date for the APRALO Monthly meeting, please be so kind as to complete the doodle poll in order to identify a convenient time for the region: http://doodle.com/zgfdhcgwqeqyyx22
As a reminder, please note that the APRALO monthly meetings are scheduled to occur the 4th Tuesday of the month at 0500 UTC.
Thank you, Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
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From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:48 AM To: APRALO m <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Subject: Meeting invitation/ APRALO Monthly December meeting - 18 December at 0600 UTC
Dear All,
Due to the holiday season, the December APRALO teleconference is scheduled for Wednesday 18 December 2013 at 0600 UTC.
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/kw5cv3d
The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at:
https://community.icann.org/x/3CmfAg
Adobe Connect Room:
http://icann.adobeconnect.com/apralo
APRALO wiki workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/4ZMi
If you are unable to attend the call please send an email indicating your absence and we will note this information on the agenda. If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>.
If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>.
Thank you. Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 05:24:23 +0800 From: Winthrop Yu <w.yu@gmx.net> To: "apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] New ALS Application received Message-ID: <529E4C07.8090603@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Noting "typo" in Description Sec. 1b on page 2 -- "Membership is open for any residing individual and organizations in *Malaysia*"
Otherwise (y)
WYn
On 12/4/2013 12:53 AM, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear All,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from Internet Society Bangladesh Dakha Chapter. It is based in Dhaka, Bangladesh and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Staff are preparing the Due Diligence.
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Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC Email: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:52:36 -1000 From: "Maureen Hilyard" <hilyard@oyster.net.ck> To: "'Winthrop Yu'" <w.yu@gmx.net>, <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] New ALS Application received Message-ID: <009101cef071$fe2129c0$fa637d40$@oyster.net.ck> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Good spotting, Winthrop.
Jahangir is an active participant in AP Chapter activities and I believe would just as actively promote ICANN issues. So yes.
Maureen
-----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Winthrop Yu Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2013 11:24 a.m. To: apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] New ALS Application received
Noting "typo" in Description Sec. 1b on page 2 -- "Membership is open for any residing individual and organizations in *Malaysia*"
Otherwise (y)
WYn
On 12/4/2013 12:53 AM, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
Dear All,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from Internet Society Bangladesh Dakha Chapter. It is based in Dhaka, Bangladesh and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Staff are preparing the Due Diligence.
-- -- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC Email: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:59:07 -0800 From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> To: "apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: [APAC-Discuss] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: APRALO Singapore Showcase OC on Wednesday 4th December at 06:00 UTC Message-ID: <BDBCC21442A22640A4ECE2C75A8E215AC385281175@EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org>
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Dear all,
The first APRALO Singapore Showcase OC meeting is scheduled for Wednesday 4th December 2013 at 0600 UTC.
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/njy6x7s
Agenda (to be created) and call details can be found : https://community.icann.org/x/LSmfAg
Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/apralo
Conference ID 1638 http://adigo.com/icann/
If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff with your preferred number at: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>.
Thank you,
Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 01:34:08 +1100 From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> To: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, METRICS <metrics.sc@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS Message-ID: <CADrRf+dcqb2BXc=eyR04_PYeg05yeu1Bm+XLjBnwM_vantBL7A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Fouad
On the matter of the specifics of Individual Membership in RALO's... This is of course a clearly identified OBJECTIVE for all RALO's since its identification as a recommendation fron the ALAC Review, and is NOT an idea dismissed by any RALO I trust as it "just has to happen where it has not already"....
That said this issue has been identified as one of several amendment to Rules matters for the current APRALO Rules Review, so resending your "paperwork on policy reform in the APRALO articles" to that RALO WG will be verynvaluable indeed... thanks
Regarding your comment on "silence" etc., from an APRALO POV =>hmmm as a serving Leader of the RALO (you are a Vice Chair after all) YOU are, I would have thought one perfectly positioned to ensure this does not/did not happen... However PLEASE bring this up when you next attend one of the APRALO Meetings... It is a matter that clearly needs addressing... On Nov 29, 2013 3:17 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe one of the most important metrics component should be built on the fact that if a member suggests something, how many of those suggestions were actually accepted and incorporated into the system.
One small example is that I've proposed individual membership in the past during 2010, created the paperwork suggesting the policy reform in the APRALO articles, presented it and then silence. This would have enhanced participation, inclusion of more productive talent and people that are sensitive about ICANN and IG related issues. Such talent thus has to move under a narrower scope into the ncuc/ncsg and APRALO loses out.
Somehow the belief that only groups can represent the rights of the users is a fantasy. For example, in the technical community and most in ISOC circles, most of the members in a recognized ALS are not actually CS or information rights activists but people with corporate day jobs and of companies that actually should fall under contracted parties ac/oc's in ICANN.
The value that comes into such an organizational system are actually the members, the system itself cannot come up with ideas and transform the ideas into workable actions.
Participation collapses when member ideas are not viewed as valuable input and organizations that don't believe in agility to change and adapt to round the clock innovation and improvements basically fall short on rationality for existence and support in the future.
If the participation in meetings and tele-cons are an evaluative criteria for calculating value for money, something is seriously wrong with ICANN and the people who are attempting to address such issues by adopting such a weak and lame course of action.
KPIs are measured against activities and participation in telecons and meetings are not such an input or expected outcome.
The indicators can be established on a the basis of number of members present and number of comments, suggestions and recommendations received during any calls/meetings and the actions were taken on them. The second level would be number of policy comments requested by ICANN and the number of members that voted on them, the time taken to make comments or recommendations, total number of policy requests for comments and number of comments made to policy requests.
Its actually a very simple and straightforward thing. List down all the things that ALAC and its members do. Against those activities a scorecard can be developed and benchmarked against other AC/OC work.
I'll think more about this.
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim <rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone.
I like Ali's input on metrics about leadership of Working Groups for ALAC members. I would also suggest co-chairing of WG between an ALAC Member and an At-Large community member. This will help build collaborative skills and capacity along the way.
Best regards,
Rinalia On Nov 27, 2013 11:17 PM, "Maureen Hilyard" <hilyard@oyster.net.ck> wrote:
Thank you Ali. This breadth of feedback is very much appreciated.
Maureen
From: Ali AlMeshal [mailto:dralialmeshal@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 12:45 a.m. To: Maureen Hilyard Cc: Karaitiana Taiuru; APRALO; METRICS Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS
Good day Maureen,
First of all we have always to but in mind as your correctly stated that this is a volunteer work from the members, but on the other hand I do agree that up to certain extent there should be a fair KPI?s in place to evaluate the performance of ALAC members.
Also I am quite sure that selected or nominated ALAC members for these leadership positions were based on their knowledge , commitment and experience as well as high performance otherwise they will not be part of the team.
Hence measuring criteria would always be much clearer and effective if it is set for Quantitative factors rather than Qualitative once.
So having said that then I would like to address the following:
o Attending meetings by it self is not a goal or objective therefore it can not be part of the measuring criteria independently.
o Also participation and contribution to the meeting discussion can not be evaluated as a performance measure
Thereafter to have a process in place that gives an indication of the member performance I would suggest the following
o ALAC members should be assigned to Chair a WG?s
? With this type of assignment the member will logically be accountable and responsible of a set deliverables that he/she have to achieve, and this can be measured and evaluated for the following set of KPI?s
? Time to deliver
? Commitment
? Team working
? Developing others (member of the group)
? Others
o ALAC members and chair of RALO?s jointly should be responsible for engaging the ALS?s in work and activities related to the rejoin at least and should provide a monthly call report on this.
? This is different activity from the RALO monthly call; this should be done separately to reach out the ALS?s through a pre-plan agenda and time frame.
? The objective is to get in touch with ALS?s members outside the official call and tries to understand their needs and requirements and also will be a good tool maybe to get them engage in if they are not active. So this is more of OUTREACH on a small scale and more of direct communication.
Should you need any clarification then please let me know by email or a call, I will be more than happy to discuss.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Maureen Hilyard <hilyard@oyster.net.ck
wrote:
Thank you KT for your comments and suggestions. These are all very helpful.
Regards Maureen
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Karaitiana Taiuru Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 12:12 p.m. To: 'APRALO' Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS
These are my thoughts based on not been an ALAC member (nor do I have time to).
I would support a more closer monitoring approach to the ALAC performance review and would like to see the evaluations distributed to the relevant RALO's as we are the ones who nominate and put our trust in our representatives to provide our views and then to report back to us.
I would expect that participation in all meetings, emails and Work Groups would be at the very minimum 90%. There are so many issues at present it would be hard not to have a voice at a meeting.
Saying this, I would also expect that any new ALAC appointments are mentored and giving an appropriate transition period and were made to feel comfortable to ask for help. Some cultural and language barriers may also exist and should be considered.
If people are under-performing, then perhaps a mechanism of someone talking to them in a non threating manner to see if there is any assistance required etc.
Perhaps too, some way of recognition for the long hours and dedication may also be a motivation. This is likely to be more of a RALO initiative though.
-----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Hilyard Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 5:52 p.m. To: APRALO Subject: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS
APRALO colleagues
As Siranush had informed you already, I am on a working group (headed by Cheryl Langdon-Orr) that is looking at measuring the performance of ALAC members (as expected in the ALAC Rules of Procedure). We are later to be looking at ALSes and RALOs.
It is an extremely difficult thing to do when: * the people in these positions are volunteers who have offered to do this work out of the goodness of their hearts - how do you measure their contribution to a task that has been set? * the Board and Management are becoming more vocal about getting value for money spent within the system - it costs a lot of money to bring the committees of the ICANN system together for each meeting. three times a year. They rightfully want to know that they are getting their money's worth. * it is very difficult to ascertain what METRICS are appropriate to measure each particular type of performance (attendance? contribution? value of contribution? others?)
As ALSes you elect your APRALO representatives on the ALAC (me and Holly) and although Raf has been appointed to the ALAC as and APRALO NOMCOM candidate - the expectations should be the same.
Therefore I'd really like to hear not only about WHAT performance criteria should be evaluated but also HOW it might be appropriately measured. I would like to use the advice of the ALSes to put together an evaluative process which could help us evaluate all the groups we have been tasked to evaluate.
This is what we are looking at, at the moment:
1. Do ALAC members attend all the meetings they should? Some attend the face to face meetings, but not the online meetings. ICANN is not looking at these candidates very favourably.
2. Do ALAC members who attend the meetings actually contribute anything to the meetings? Some attend meetings but they don't say anything - what value do they give? Some log into teleconference meetings, but because they don't contribute anything, it is difficult to know whether they actually listening?)
3. Do ALAC members participate on working groups? We have lots of members who volunteer for a working group, and never turn up for meetings to do the work. Its the same people every time doing the work .
There may be other questions you may want to ask. Please do...
Very importantly, HOW can we more effectively evaluate performance - what do you use in your workplace?
Let me know.. I'd love to hear from you.
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