Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
Dear all, I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. Thanks Farizahmadi From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: Dear All, On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Rank Vote Option ID Vote Option Votes % 1 15998138 Mili Semlani 6 54.55 2 15998137 Hanan Khatib 3 27.27 3 15998136 Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative) 2 18.18 You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. 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Thank you for your comment Fariz. However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. Maureen ALAC Chair On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Dear Maureen I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.
Thanks Farizahmadi
From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.
3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib:
Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
Rank
Vote Option ID
Vote Option
Votes
%
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
2
15998137
Hanan Khatib
3
27.27
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
Website: [atlarge.icann.org](https://atlarge.icann.org/)
Facebook: [facebook.com/icann](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge)[atlarge](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge)
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I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole. 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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This is an excellent analysis Shreedeep and it goes beyond this particular instance. One of the At-Large review activities we still have to work on is a review of the criteria and expectations of ALSes and Individual members... and one of these is job descriptions. We do not have JDs for some of the jobs we advertise for so it makes it difficult for people to apply without knowing what they are applying for. Individual members is a fairly new category and our review of individual members (as well as ALSes) themselves is going to be quite comprehensive. Therefore the leadership JDs will also be more detailed and more specific. At the moment the only formal role that this person currently has, is to vote on behalf of the other individual members should the RALO ever hold a vote on something. But the JD also needs to take into consideration other leadership roles within the RALO. These matters will be discussed when the Working Group is established shortly. And thank you for adding to this conversation. Maureen On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 11:58 PM Shreedeep Rayamajhi, <weaker41@gmail.com> wrote:
I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
*Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Thanks Maureen and Shreedeep. First, I too am very disappointed by Mili. In the first instance, we need to be VERY clear about what is required and very clear about what constitutes conflict of interest. I also think Shreedeep's suggestions are really useful and should be addressed. Holly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Hilyard" To:"Shreedeep Rayamajhi" Cc:"Maureen Hilyard" Sent:Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:11:52 -1000 Subject:Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative This is an excellent analysis Shreedeep and it goes beyond this particular instance. One of the At-Large review activities we still have to work on is a review of the criteria and expectations of ALSes and Individual members... and one of these is job descriptions. We do not have JDs for some of the jobs we advertise for so it makes it difficult for people to apply without knowing what they are applying for. Individual members is a fairly new category and our review of individual members (as well as ALSes) themselves is going to be quite comprehensive. Therefore the leadership JDs will also be more detailed and more specific. At the moment the only formal role that this person currently has, is to vote on behalf of the other individual members should the RALO ever hold a vote on something. But the JD also needs to take into consideration other leadership roles within the RALO. These matters will be discussed when the Working Group is established shortly. And thank you for adding to this conversation. Maureen On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 11:58 PM Shreedeep Rayamajhi, wrote: I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole. 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss wrote: Dear Maureen I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote: Thank you for your comment Fariz. However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. Maureen ALAC Chair On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss wrote: Dear all, I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. I TOTALLY NOT ACCEPT SUCH ACTS BY ANY INDIVIDUALS HERE IN NCUC AND AT LARGE AND REQUEST THAT HER NOMINATIONS AND POSITIONS SHOULD BE CANCELLED WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AS ITS CLEARLY A NON-COMPRISABLE AND ACCEPTABLE ACT. Thanks Farizahmadi FROM: Mili TO: ICANN At-Large Staff CC: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss SUBJECT: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative DATE: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: 1. NCUC AND AT LARGE ARE LIKE COUSINS IN THE ICANN ECOSYSTEM. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC HAS VERY FEW REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ASIA PACIFIC REGION (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that INCREASING THE ASIA PACIFIC VOICE WITHIN NCUC IS VERY IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could ENCOURAGE THE CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP BUILDING BETWEEN AT-LARGE AND THE NON-COMMERCIAL STAKEHOLDER GROUP (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also BENEFIT FROM A STAUNCH AT-LARGE SUPPORTER IN NCUC, THUS REINSTATE THE VOICE OF END USERS AND PARTICULARLY FROM APAC. 3. While MY ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT FOR APRALO WILL IN NO WAY REDUCE, if anything, it will ONLY ENHANCE MY UNDERSTANDING OF POLICY DEVELOPMENT and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC IN APAC DEFINITELY NEEDS SOMEONE MORE COMMITTED TO THE REGION (ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE NO OTHER TAKERS AND THE SEAT WOULD REMAIN VACANT WHICH WOULD MEAN NO APAC LEADER THERE) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote: Dear All, On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. 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Hi, It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles. Regards, Neeraj ________________________________ From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms. Regards Danny Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole. 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Maureen I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it��s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi �\�\�\�\�\�\�\ Original Message �\�\�\�\�\�\�\ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: Thank you for your comment Fariz. However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. Maureen ALAC Chair On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don��t get selected their she atleast have one. I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. Thanks Farizahmadi From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com<mailto:milisemlani@gmail.com>> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. Congrats Hanan and good luck! �� With gratitude Mili Semlani On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Rank Vote Option ID Vote Option Votes % 1 15998138 Mili Semlani 6 54.55 2 15998137 Hanan Khatib 3 27.27 3 15998136 Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative) 2 18.18 You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. 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I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------ *From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Neeraj and Azadur This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it.
Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.
Thanks Farizahmadi
From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.
3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib:
Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
Rank
Vote Option ID
Vote Option
Votes
%
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
2
15998137
Hanan Khatib
3
27.27
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Dear Fariz and all Thank you for your inputs on this matter. Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions. I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you. With kind regards, satish On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker < azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------
*From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Satish Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action.
Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
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From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it.
Thanks Farizahmadi
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
> Dear all, > > I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. > > I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. > > But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. > > This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. > > I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. > > Thanks > Farizahmadi > > From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> > To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> > Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative > Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM > > Dear all, > I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. > > But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: > > 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific > region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. > > 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. > > 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. > > 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. > > I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. > > Congrats Hanan and good luck! > — > With gratitude > Mili Semlani > > On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > > Dear All, > > On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: > > Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative > > Rank > > Vote Option ID > > Vote Option > > Votes > > % > > 1 > > 15998138 > > Mili Semlani > > 6 > > 54.55 > > 2 > > 15998137 > > Hanan Khatib > > 3 > > 27.27 > > 3 > > 15998136 > > Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative) > > 2 > > 18.18 > > You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq > > Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. > > Kind Regards, > > ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community > > Website: [atlarge.icann.org](https://atlarge.icann.org/) > > Facebook: [facebook.com/icann](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge)[atlarge](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge) > > Twitter: [@](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge)[ICANNAtLarge](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge) > > _______________________________________________ > APAC-Discuss mailing list > APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > Homepage for the region: [http://www.apralo.org](http://www.apralo.org/) > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hi The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details. With kind regards satish On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker < azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
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*From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
*Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Just to bring your attention to the email that Satish has released earlier on this issue. It has a subject line: *[APAC-Discuss] Working Group on Membership-related Matters* On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:38 Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Hi
The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details.
With kind regards
satish
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker < azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------
*From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trust of individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Satish WG will address the immediate present issue or future matters. Has any decision been taken on Mili case by WG. From APRALO we already have Hanan Khatib as Individual Representative in place of mili so there is not much to be done by APRALO except to take some administrative action for providing false information based on which it ws intimated to community that “On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations.” It was no personal obligation but she done unethical act of keeping APRALOand NCUC both in dark and just misused the positions. NCUC has to take its immediate stand that will they continue to have such person on present position who has hide something so critical while applying for such position should not all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay for such serious issue instead of giving her a relief by saying newcomer. Thanks Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:07 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
Hi
The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details.
With kind regards
satish
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action.
Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
> Dear Maureen > > I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. > > It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. > > Thanks > Farizahmadi > >>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for your comment Fariz. >> >> However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. >> >> Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. >> >> Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. >> >> Maureen >> ALAC Chair >> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. >>> >>> I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. >>> >>> But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. >>> >>> This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. >>> >>> I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Farizahmadi >>> >>> From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> >>> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> >>> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative >>> Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM >>> >>> Dear all, >>> I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. >>> >>> But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: >>> >>> 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific >>> region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. >>> >>> 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. >>> >>> 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. >>> >>> 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. >>> >>> I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. >>> >>> Congrats Hanan and good luck! >>> — >>> With gratitude >>> Mili Semlani >>> >>> On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: >>> >>> Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative >>> >>> Rank >>> >>> Vote Option ID >>> >>> Vote Option >>> >>> Votes >>> >>> % >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> 15998138 >>> >>> Mili Semlani >>> >>> 6 >>> >>> 54.55 >>> >>> 2 >>> >>> 15998137 >>> >>> Hanan Khatib >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 27.27 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 15998136 >>> >>> Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative) >>> >>> 2 >>> >>> 18.18 >>> >>> You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq >>> >>> Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community >>> >>> Website: [atlarge.icann.org](https://atlarge.icann.org/) >>> >>> Facebook: [facebook.com/icann](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge)[atlarge](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge) >>> >>> Twitter: [@](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge)[ICANNAtLarge](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>> APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>> >>> Homepage for the region: [http://www.apralo.org](http://www.apralo.org/) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Hi Pls note that there have been no violations of the APRALO RoP by anyone in this case, and this was checked and confirmed by Staff even before we announced the results. The WG has been set up to put in place additional stipulations also a code of conduct to address the legal and ethical issues if any, so that we do not have such ambiguities in the future. Hope this helps With kind regards, satish On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:13 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish WG will address the immediate present issue or future matters. Has any decision been taken on Mili case by WG. From APRALO we already have Hanan Khatib as Individual Representative in place of mili so there is not much to be done by APRALO except to take some administrative action for providing false information based on which it ws intimated to community that “On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations.” It was no personal obligation but she done unethical act of keeping APRALOand NCUC both in dark and just misused the positions.
NCUC has to take its immediate stand that will they continue to have such person on present position who has hide something so critical while applying for such position should not all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay for such serious issue instead of giving her a relief by saying newcomer.
Thanks Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:07 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
Hi
The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details.
With kind regards
satish
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker < azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------
*From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trust of individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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++ Mr. Samiran as reported by community members that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application also apart from hiding critical conflict of interest issues for positions so will it be wise for ICANN to still give fellowship to such individuals or consider some other suitable candidate. Thanks Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:36 PM, Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Satish
WG will address the immediate present issue or future matters. Has any decision been taken on Mili case by WG. From APRALO we already have Hanan Khatib as Individual Representative in place of mili so there is not much to be done by APRALO except to take some administrative action for providing false information based on which it ws intimated to community that “On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations.” It was no personal obligation but she done unethical act of keeping APRALOand NCUC both in dark and just misused the positions.
NCUC has to take its immediate stand that will they continue to have such person on present position who has hide something so critical while applying for such position should not all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay for such serious issue instead of giving her a relief by saying newcomer.
Thanks Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:07 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
Hi
The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details.
With kind regards
satish
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action.
Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
> Hi, > > It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles. > > Regards, > > Neeraj > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM > To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi > Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative > > I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms. > > Regards > > Danny > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM > From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> > To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> > Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org > Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative > I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole. > > 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program > 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose > 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly > 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear > 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised > > Regards, > Shreedeep Rayamajhi > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: > >> Dear Maureen >> >> I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. >> >> It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. >> >> Thanks >> Farizahmadi >> >>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> >> On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for your comment Fariz. >>> >>> However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. >>> >>> Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. >>> >>> Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. >>> >>> Maureen >>> ALAC Chair >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. >>>> >>>> I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. >>>> >>>> But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. >>>> >>>> This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. >>>> >>>> I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Farizahmadi >>>> >>>> From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> >>>> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> >>>> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative >>>> Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. >>>> >>>> But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: >>>> >>>> 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific >>>> region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. >>>> >>>> 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. >>>> >>>> 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. >>>> >>>> 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. >>>> >>>> I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. >>>> >>>> Congrats Hanan and good luck! >>>> — >>>> With gratitude >>>> Mili Semlani >>>> >>>> On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: >>>> >>>> Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative >>>> >>>> Rank >>>> >>>> Vote Option ID >>>> >>>> Vote Option >>>> >>>> Votes >>>> >>>> % >>>> >>>> 1 >>>> >>>> 15998138 >>>> >>>> Mili Semlani >>>> >>>> 6 >>>> >>>> 54.55 >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> 15998137 >>>> >>>> Hanan Khatib >>>> >>>> 3 >>>> >>>> 27.27 >>>> >>>> 3 >>>> >>>> 15998136 >>>> >>>> Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative) >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> >>>> 18.18 >>>> >>>> You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq >>>> >>>> Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community >>>> >>>> Website: [atlarge.icann.org](https://atlarge.icann.org/) >>>> >>>> Facebook: [facebook.com/icann](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge)[atlarge](https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge) >>>> >>>> Twitter: [@](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge)[ICANNAtLarge](https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> APAC-Discuss mailing list >>>> APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss >>>> >>>> Homepage for the region: [http://www.apralo.org](http://www.apralo.org/) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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+ Ergys Ramaj, Siranush Vardanyan Dear Mr. Ahmadi: Thank you for your mail below. Kindly note that on 4th July, my colleague Siranush Vardanyan, Fellowship Program Manager at ICANN, responded to Mr. Neeraj Kumar’s email related to Ms. Mili Semlani’s fellowship candidature. For your convenience, I have attached her response to this email. Very sincerely, Samiran Gupta -------------------------- Samiran Gupta Head of India, ICANN Mobile: +91 99902 18198 E-mail: samiran.gupta@icann.org Skype: samiran.gupta.icann www.icann.org From: Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Reply-To: Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Date: Monday, 8 July 2019 at 4:01 PM To: Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com>, Goran Marby <goran.marby@icann.org>, Samiran Gupta <samiran.gupta@icann.org>, APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org" <ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative ++ Mr. Samiran as reported by community members that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application also apart from hiding critical conflict of interest issues for positions so will it be wise for ICANN to still give fellowship to such individuals or consider some other suitable candidate. Thanks Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:36 PM, Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Satish WG will address the immediate present issue or future matters. Has any decision been taken on Mili case by WG. From APRALO we already have Hanan Khatib as Individual Representative in place of mili so there is not much to be done by APRALO except to take some administrative action for providing false information based on which it ws intimated to community that “On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations.” It was no personal obligation but she done unethical act of keeping APRALOand NCUC both in dark and just misused the positions. NCUC has to take its immediate stand that will they continue to have such person on present position who has hide something so critical while applying for such position should not all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay for such serious issue instead of giving her a relief by saying newcomer. Thanks Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:07 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote: Hi The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details. With kind regards satish On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote: Satish Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay Fariz Ahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Fariz and all Thank you for your inputs on this matter. Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions. I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you. With kind regards, satish On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote: Neeraj and Azadur This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker <azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote: I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote: Hi, It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles. Regards, Neeraj From: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM To: Shreedeep Rayamajhi Cc: APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms. Regards Danny Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM From: "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> To: "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> Cc: APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole. 1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Dear Maureen I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same. It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you for your comment Fariz. However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves. Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib. Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large. Maureen ALAC Chair On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: Dear all, I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN. I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect. But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another. This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one. I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act. Thanks Farizahmadi From: Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Cc: Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Date: 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me. But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so: 1. NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific region (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large. 2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC. 3. While my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce, if anything, it will only enhance my understanding of policy development and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one. 4. Wrt the leadership position, the NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there) and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections. I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members. Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: Dear All, On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative RankVote Option IDVote OptionVotes% 115998138Mili Semlani654.55 215998137Hanan Khatib327.27 315998136Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)218.18 You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq [bigpulse.com] Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community. 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Fariz The APRALO Leadership Team has made its decision about how it wishes to resolve this issue. We have taken on board what has been said, and wish to cease any future occurrences and misunderstandings. Please read ICANN's Expected Standards of Behaviour. We have a code of conduct within ICANN and particularly within APRALO that is mindful of the way in which we communicate with each other and about each other. We expect everyone in APRALO to adhere to these guidelines. Satish has referred to this in his emails. The Leadership Team will deal with this matter and will report to the members about their plans and how members can assist. It would be advisable if you were to attend our monthly meetings if you have any concerns you wish to raise. Maureen APRALO ALAC Chair On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 12:14 AM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Satish WG will address the immediate present issue or future matters. Has any decision been taken on Mili case by WG. From APRALO we already have Hanan Khatib as Individual Representative in place of mili so there is not much to be done by APRALO except to take some administrative action for providing false information based on which it ws intimated to community that “On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations.” It was no personal obligation but she done unethical act of keeping APRALOand NCUC both in dark and just misused the positions.
NCUC has to take its immediate stand that will they continue to have such person on present position who has hide something so critical while applying for such position should not all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay for such serious issue instead of giving her a relief by saying newcomer.
Thanks Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, July 8, 2019 3:07 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
Hi
The issue was resolved the same day (4 July 2019), when the APRALO leadership team decided to create a WG on Membership-related matters to ensure that similar situations do not occur in the future. Please take a look at the mail for more details.
With kind regards
satish
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Satish
Post your email I and other community members were expecting to hear back on the serious issue raised. I am surprised why it’s taking so long to take necessary decisions and suitable actions. Strongly believe that no would like to promote such acts here or will support any such candidate who was completely unethical. The excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position thus all consideration done for her must be plummeted with no further delay
Fariz Ahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05 PM, Satish Babu <sb.inapp@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Fariz and all
Thank you for your inputs on this matter.
Several important points have emerged in these discussions, with legal (ie., concerning the APRALO Rules of Procedure) as well as ethical dimensions.
I'd like to discuss this matter with the rest of the APRALO Leadership Team and also with Maureen, so that we can decide on a fair way to address these concerns and then get back to all of you.
With kind regards,
satish
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM Fariz Ahmadi <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj and Azadur
This is something very serious which you must immediately discuss with Samiran Gupta Head of India ICANN and Satish Babu Chair Asia-Pacific Regional At-Large Organization (APRALO, ASIAPAC) I am connecting you with them in this email. Also the complaint for all these acts must also go to ICANN president and chairman so directing for necessary disciplinary action. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:18 PM, Azadur Rahman sarker < azad.sarkar.tvnl@gmail.com> wrote:
I am also agree with mr. neeraj kumar statement . Thanks. Azad. BANGLADESH
On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:42 Neeraj Kumar, <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------
*From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trust of individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Neeraj Ji, I have seen multiple ICANN fellows who lives outside their country but got fellowship representing their own country. It kind of felt sad and unjustified but i though ICANN selection committee is okay with it. So bringing this point in case of Mili is not fully justified aswell. But Yes! i do believe she should have been more transparent while applying for such an important position. Shaila On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:42 PM Neeraj Kumar <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------ *From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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I am agree with Satish. In Mali's issue we need to consider both legal and ethical dimensions. I do agree with Shaila on fellowship issue. I also seen some lives outside their country but for the fellowship program representing their mother country which they might not visit or do any activity near future. On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 12:19 AM Shaila Sharmin <shaila.sharmin.ovi@gmail.com> wrote:
Neeraj Ji,
I have seen multiple ICANN fellows who lives outside their country but got fellowship representing their own country. It kind of felt sad and unjustified but i though ICANN selection committee is okay with it. So bringing this point in case of Mili is not fully justified aswell.
But Yes! i do believe she should have been more transparent while applying for such an important position.
Shaila
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:42 PM Neeraj Kumar <neerajkumarindia@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
It seems that Ms Mili Semlani has misrepresented in the ICANN 66 fellowship application as well. She has got ICANN Fellowship as representing herself from India but it seems she actually lives in Singapore as evident in her Linkedin & Facebook profiles.
Regards,
Neeraj
------------------------------ *From:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of danny dong <dannydong@tech-center.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:56 PM *To:* Shreedeep Rayamajhi *Cc:* APAC-Discuss; ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
I also come to an agreement that excuse of newcomer given by Mili is not admissible for hiding something so critical when you are applying for such position. If I am not wrong as per ICANN operative procedure and code of ethics any candidate doing such act is immediately disqualified. So her selection is against the norms.
Regards
Danny
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 at 3:28 PM *From:* "Shreedeep Rayamajhi" <weaker41@gmail.com> *To:* "Fariz Ahmadi" <farizahmadi@protonmail.com> *Cc:* APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ncuc-ap@lists.ncuc.org *Subject:* Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative I completely agree with the argument of farizahmadi and some what suport maureen but what i see is the problem as a whole.
1. Young leaders who are coming to the position are confused or are not prepapared or they have no idea about the constituencies,: we need better capacity and awarness program 2. The constituencies should have definite criteria for nomination such as involvment and enagegment within the community as a compulsory clause for election purpose 3. Our mentoring or information dessimination is not working properly 4. The message that the community is about enagement and work not about leadership position needs to be clear 5. Newcommers Enrollment programs needs to be further improvised
Regards, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Maureen
I completely agree with what you said but totally disagree to what you think that if she is NEW so she is allowed to break all rules laid for groups by ICANN, it’s a community driven organization and basic foundation is TRUST. Which she has broken by hiding the facts to achieve this position. We should not set such examples for other else in future everyone will follow same.
It my individual views and I trust other members and chairs in both groups will also agree with it. Thanks Farizahmadi
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On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:31 PM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your comment Fariz.
However, I think that if you were to look within At-Large you will find that we have people who have their feet in one or two other sections of the ICANN community. We are trying to break down the silos and trying to work together a lot more so that we can further our understanding about the different interests that each community section serves.
Mili is new to our system but eager to learn more about ICANN. NCUC offers an opportunity for a voice for the Asia Pacific region and I admire that she has opted for a leadership role that will heighten the views of the Asia Pacific in a section where that view is lacking but also a section that At-Large has been working with for some time to build better relations and understandings. What Mili has also done is to enable another At-Large member to join the leadership ranks. Welcome to Hanan Khatib.
Just as others who work with other sections of iCANN because it is their day job, yet continue to join the At-Large CPWG and bring the perspective of their other community to our conversations, I am sure that Mili too will be able to bring a NCUC view to our discussions and vice versa. We must celebrate her decision which I know she feels will give the better value for At-Large.
Maureen ALAC Chair
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Fariz Ahmadi via APAC-Discuss < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I wish to seriously add something here and its flag for both NCUC and At Large and even other groups of ICANN.
I completely disagree with the point given by Mili and I would say it was completely unethical act at her part. We chose her the voice of APRALO individual members with lot of trust and respect.
But she inspite of knowing the fact that when anyone apply for any position he/she has to declare any conflict of interest. But she kept NCUC and At Large in dark and given false statement by hiding the facts that she is already on one position she cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultaneously until she first step down from first and then apply for another.
This is completely unethical at her part that she try to play safe by retaining position here and additionally applying in NCUC so that incase if she don’t get selected their she atleast have one.
*I totally not accept such acts by any individuals here in NCUC and At Large and request that her nominations and positions should be cancelled with immediate effect as its clearly a non-comprisable and acceptable act.*
Thanks Farizahmadi
*From:* Mili <milisemlani@gmail.com> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Cc:* Satish Babu via APAC-Discuss <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [APAC-Discuss] ANNOUNCEMENT: Change in 2019 APRALO Individual Representative *Date:* 02 Jul 2019 08:38:16 PM
Dear all, I am deeply humbled and extremely grateful that you chose me to be the voice of APRALO individual members. But I have to say this with a heavy heart that I will not be able to continue with this role as I am elected as NCUC EC for APAC. As a relative newcomer to ICANN, I was not aware of the conflict in interest both these positions lead to (as one cannot hold leadership position in an different ICANN constituencies simultanoeusly). I apologise for not keeping up with the trust you all have vested in me.
But I hope you understand my reasons for doing so:
1. *NCUC and At Large are like cousins in the ICANN ecosystem*. For those of you who may not know, NCUC too protects and voices the issues of the end users, registrants (who are majorly internet end users too. But while our TG groups are aligned, both operate at different levels in the ICANN ecosystem and policy development process. *NCUC has very few representatives from the Asia Pacific * *region* (let alone leaders)and while I would like to retain your membership of APRALO and At-Large I also believe that *increasing the Asia Pacific voice within NCUC is very important at this time*, even while being pulled by my loyalty to At-Large.
2. Also as a continuing individual member of APRALO (which is still allowed) I believe I could *encourage the continued relationship building between At-Large and the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG)* and would support and be actively engaged in the joint activities that have already been established between At-Large and NCUC and NPOC. APRALO and At Large may also *benefit from a staunch At-Large supporter in NCUC, thus reinstate the voice of end users and particularly from APAC.*
3. While *my engagement and support for APRALO will in no way reduce*, if anything, it will *only enhance my understanding of policy development* and open yet another avenue for us to support out regions issues. This dilemma and my decision to withdraw from my first and recently elected position and to move on and become the best representative for APRALO on the Executive Committee at Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) was not an easy one.
4. Wrt the leadership position, the *NCUC EC in APAC definitely needs someone more committed to the region (especially when there are no other takers and the seat would remain vacant which would mean no APAC leader there)* and I think my time and experience can be of great benefit for the same. But at the same time I feel guilty of letting down the trustof individual APRALO members vested in me in the recent elections.
I hope you will understand my disposition and support my decision. I am sincerely apologetic about giving up the APRALO Individual member rep role (after winning with a big majority) and all the inconvenience caused to APRALO leaders, staff and members.
Congrats Hanan and good luck! — With gratitude Mili Semlani
On 02-Jul-2019, at 16:23, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
On behalf of Satish Babu, APRALO Chair, this is to let you know the elected 2019 APRALO Individual Representative, Milli Semlani, has stepped down due to personal obligations. The candidate with the second most votes in the 2019 APRALO Individual Representative Election was Hanan Khatib: Vote on 2019 APRALO Individual Representative
*Rank*
*Vote Option ID*
*Vote Option*
*Votes*
*%*
1
15998138
Mili Semlani
6
54.55
*2*
*15998137*
*Hanan Khatib*
*3*
*27.27*
3
15998136
Justine Chew (current APRALO Individual Representative)
2
18.18
You may view the result independently here: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=13375255Yh5qCsngcjnVgNewymq
Therefore, we would like to thank Milli for her service and congratulate Hanan on assuming her new role and duties in representing the APRALO Individual Member community.
Kind Regards,
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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participants (16)
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Azadur Rahman sarker -
danny dong -
Eranga Samararathna -
Fariz Ahmadi -
h.raiche＠internode.on.net -
Maureen Hilyard -
Molly Chan -
Nadira Alaraj -
Neeraj Kumar -
Richard Marson -
Samiran Gupta -
Satish Babu -
Satish Babu -
Shaila Sharmin -
Shreedeep Rayamajhi -
William Donovan