Fwd: [ALAC] Meeting in LA to discuss TM protection issues
Hi Everyone Sala has already forwarded this email to you. What Alan is seeking is support from the Regional ALSs for this position. I have read this through, including the brief (and helpful) explanation and believe that we should support this position - giving Alan (and Evan) support for the follow up meeting(s) they will attend on our behalf. Some of the points are mainly about trade mark (TM) issues - relevant to Internet users in that domain names should relate to the actual person/organisation registrant (i.e., not wilfully or otherwise mislead). Other issues are more familiar to some of you and relate to the long running issues of the Whois database and compliance with the RAA. Happy reading. And if you have any further comments or questions, contact Alan directly - I'm sure Alan will help you through. (Our next APRALO meeting won't be until the end of Nov. so we won't have time to discuss this in detail) Happy reading - and Alan and Evan, thanks for the explanation. I personally support this - and note that a lot of this is about issues that have long been on our agenda and need our continued support Holly Begin forwarded message:
From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Date: 13 November 2012 5:42:19 AM AEDT To: ALAC Working List <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [ALAC] Meeting in LA to discuss TM protection issues
NOTE: THIS MESSAGE IS LONG, BUT WE ONLY HAVE A FEW DAYS IN WHICH TO ACT.
In Toronto, The IPC and BC presented a list of suggested rights protection mechanisms to ICANN. The document can be found at http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/metalitz-to-pritz-17oct12-en.pdf.
The substance was the following 8 points.
1. Extend Sunrise Launch Period from 30 to 60 days with a standardized process. 2. Extend the TMCH and Claims Notices for an indefinite period; ensure the process is easy to use, secure, and stable. 3. Complete the URS as a low cost alternative and improve its usefulness - if necessary, ICANN could underwrite for an initial period. 4. Implement a mechanism for trademark owners to prevent second-level registration of their marks (exact matches, plus character strings previously determined to have been abusively registered or used) across all registries, upon payment of a reasonable fee, with appropriate safeguards for registrants with a legitimate right or interest. 5. Validate contact information for registrants in WHOIS. 6. All registrars active in new gTLD registrations must adhere to an amended RAA for all gTLD registrations they sponsor. 7. Enforce compliance of all registry commitments for Standard applications. 8. Expand TM Claims service to cover at least strings previously found to have been abusively registered or used.
Note that these statements are rather vague in some cases, but no further details have been provided.
A meeting to iron out differences and clarify issues on the TMCH was held in Brussels about 2 weeks ago. The outcomes can be found at http://blog.icann.org/2012/11/building-a-secure-and-reliable-trademark-clear....
There will be a follow-up meeting in Los Angeles to discuss, (perhaps among other things), the BBC/IPC proposals. My understanding is that I an likely Evan will be invited to participate (remotely since no travel funding is being provided).
Following discussions with Evan and Olivier as well as Kathy Kleiman and Robin gross from NCUC, here is what I believe the current positions to be supported by ALAC to be.
IF YOU FEEL THAT ANY OF THIS SHOULD BE CHANGED, PLEASE SPEAK UP QUICKLY.
========================== Our overall position is that we would prefer to not make any substantive changes at this late date, and particularly not ones that can reasonably be considered policy. This is said with the full understanding that throughout the new gTLD process, parts of the community have often considered things that they want changed to be "implementation", and things that they do not want changed to be "policy". In fact, the entire STI discussion (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/sti/sti-wt-recommendations-11dec09-en.pdf) was deemed to be one of implementation and investigating the "policy implications" of the TMCH and URS. Note that some of the proposals are clearly not "Policy" from a GNSO point of view.
That being said, it is possible that change will occur based on the issues raised by the BC/IPC, and the ALAC needs to consider the specific issues.
1. Extend Sunrise Launch Period from 30 to 60 days with a standardized process.
ALAC has no strong feelings on this.My understanding is that it may already have been resolved during the Brussels meeting.
2. Extend the TMCH and Claims Notices for an indefinite period; ensure the process is easy to use, secure, and stable.
A TM Claim sends a notice to a potential registrant that the name they are registering possible overlaps with a TM's term. It does not stop the registration, but asks that the registrant confirm that their use is legitimate and does not violate TM rights (since TM rights are specific to the type of service/product offered and a geographic local, this is quite possible). The STI report said that Post-Launch Claims are not required. The AG says that at a minimum, Claims must be used for 60 days following general registration availability. Since neither of these terms are fully defined, it is not clear if these two requirements conflict or are both simultaneously possible. One of the outcomes of the Brussels meeting is to firm up some definitions, so perhaps this will become clear. That notwithstanding, the ALAC issued a minority report to the STI saying that with some specific reservations, we supported ongoing TM Claims. So we are basically supportive of the request.
3. Complete the URS as a low cost alternative and improve its usefulness - if necessary, ICANN could underwrite for an initial period.
This seems like a motherhood statement and as such ALAC has not problem with it. The only reservation is to the exact meaning of "increase its usefulness". If this is implying substantive change, we do need to consider it on its merits. That being said, the ALAC in its minority statement had supported the concept of allowing a URS claimant who was successful to have the domain transferred to them similar to what is allowed following a successful UDRP.
The concept of ICANN underwriting the URS for some period of time was originally suggested by me, so I support it in concept. The ALAC has never discussed it. At this point, it looks like there will be one or more URS providers who can do it for the required fee without subsidization.
4. Implement a mechanism for trademark owners to prevent second-level registration of their marks (exact matches, plus character strings previously determined to have been abusively registered or used) across all registries, upon payment of a reasonable fee, with appropriate safeguards for registrants with a legitimate right or interest.
The ALAC in its minority statement did support allowing strings to be registered in the TMCH which included its TM term in conjunction with terms related to its service/products (ie Ford-Trucks). So we *might* be supportive of that part of the request. However, the term "prevent" is onerous, even with "appropriate safeguards".
We would suggest a position that this is a substantive change and should not be done at this time, but rather considered as in a future policy process. Furthermore, it is something whose value will not be significantly lower if it is somewhat delayed.
5. Validate contact information for registrants in WHOIS.
The ALAC certainly supports this concept and our presumption has been that this will be included in the next RAA. To the extent that this BC/IPC request increases the pressue on ICANN to ensure that this happens, we support it.
6. All registrars active in new gTLD registrations must adhere to an amended RAA for all gTLD registrations they sponsor.
This is already being discussed in the context of the new RAA. In particular, registrars believe that they should not be at a competitive disadvantage because some registrars stay on the old RAA and thus have lower costs (such as those associated with verification). From an ICANN point of view, there will certainly be sufficient compliance issues associated with new gTLDs that having all registrars who market them on the current RAA can only be viewed as good. ALAC strongly supports this.
7. Enforce compliance of all registry commitments for Standard applications.
It is unclear exactly what this one means. Certainly ALAC supports any position that strengthens compliance enforcement. The reference to "Standard applications" is unclear. It *may* mean that like Community TLDs, standard (ie non-Community) TLDs should be required to honour the use of the TLD described in the application (currently there is no such requirement - they can apply for a TLD string for one purpose and change that purpose completely on implementation).
ALAC has generally advocated such a requirement, although it seems like it is a bit late to impose it on applicants who have applied under the current rules.
8. Expand TM Claims service to cover at least strings previously found to have been abusively registered or used.
This is a possibly interesting new TM protection mechanism, and is a probably a subset of the "TM along with related terms" statement that we made in our minority report. Nevertheless, it is a substantive change, and like item 4, should be the subject of a policy process prior to implementation.
Alan (and Evan)
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Hi Everyone, Prompted by a short chat with Rinalia and following from our discussion in Toronto... would like to get the discussion about what we should do in Beijing started. 1. Special Showcase Event As brought up in Toronto, and with Hong Xue's help, we would like to explore the possibility of having the APRALO showcase event together with the Welcome Reception (on the Monday late afternoon/early evening). I can probably suggest for DotAsia to help with some sponsorship for this as well :-) This will not only ensure more participation and reduce conflict in schedules, but also allow us to make the whole event more exciting. We also discussed the interest to avoid boring speeches, so we should discuss how perhaps we can "showcase" the work of different ALSes and also of APRALO during the event. Perhaps we can produce a short video (just to get the ideas started)... 2. Leveraging Fellowship program Instead of daily early morning "capacity building" sessions, we can leverage the fellowship program and send all ALS representatives (especially those who have not participated at ICANN as much) to the fellowship sessions (which are held early morning). 3. Multi-stakeholder Policy discussions/roundtables With the "capacity building" sessions taken care of by the fellowship program, the idea is to hold more intensive policy discussion sessions. With the benefit of having all the ALSes from AP there the idea is to further take the opportunity to invite other stakeholders, including government representatives, registries (applicants), registrars, intellectual property rights experts, ISPs and other NGOs in the region to join in a multi-stakeholder dialogue with a goal towards potentially producing a sort of communique at the end of the meeting to establish some views on various policies and issues. 4. APRALO Pin / Badge Decoration / ... We also talked about producing a pin or badge decoration or something that can be worn (name tag strap?) by APRALO... Of course before all of these, we need to figure out the type of budget that we have, and potential additional sponsorship we can raise... Edmon
Hi Edmon (and Rinalia) Good call to get the discussions started early.. and I am so looking forward to it already. I have a rare face-2-face meeting with my Board next week in Fiji, at our PacINET, and I'd like to discuss these activities that you have raised to get their feedback on them as well, especially about how we can represent ourselves as an ALS at the showcase.. We might have to put together a video... or slide show ... or come in person.. or something... (these newly appointed Board members come from all over the Pacific - Cook Islands (me), New Zealand (2), Vanuatu (2), Niue and the Solomon Islands) I love the idea of inviting newbies who aren't fellows, to the fellowship meetings. The content in these sessions is invaluable to anyone who doesn't know about how ICANN works, yet the sessions give you small snippets of understanding at a time without completely overwhelming you. Janice does such a great job. So that you gradually put together a collage of the grandness of the ICANN organisation and what it does. I think we are all still learning... Capacity building / policy development / outreach activities / enhancing dialogue with and for ALSes.. a great call... I can see my Board members already trying to think of fundraising ideas to get themselves to Beijing! Some of them should be able to travel there within 24 hours of leaving home.... (I'm not kidding! One member has one flight a week out of his island so its usually a long time waiting to catch a plane somewhere) Maureen -----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 10:15 p.m. To: 'apralo' Subject: [APAC-Discuss] Beijing APRALO Showcase Hi Everyone, Prompted by a short chat with Rinalia and following from our discussion in Toronto... would like to get the discussion about what we should do in Beijing started. 1. Special Showcase Event As brought up in Toronto, and with Hong Xue's help, we would like to explore the possibility of having the APRALO showcase event together with the Welcome Reception (on the Monday late afternoon/early evening). I can probably suggest for DotAsia to help with some sponsorship for this as well :-) This will not only ensure more participation and reduce conflict in schedules, but also allow us to make the whole event more exciting. We also discussed the interest to avoid boring speeches, so we should discuss how perhaps we can "showcase" the work of different ALSes and also of APRALO during the event. Perhaps we can produce a short video (just to get the ideas started)... 2. Leveraging Fellowship program Instead of daily early morning "capacity building" sessions, we can leverage the fellowship program and send all ALS representatives (especially those who have not participated at ICANN as much) to the fellowship sessions (which are held early morning). 3. Multi-stakeholder Policy discussions/roundtables With the "capacity building" sessions taken care of by the fellowship program, the idea is to hold more intensive policy discussion sessions. With the benefit of having all the ALSes from AP there the idea is to further take the opportunity to invite other stakeholders, including government representatives, registries (applicants), registrars, intellectual property rights experts, ISPs and other NGOs in the region to join in a multi-stakeholder dialogue with a goal towards potentially producing a sort of communique at the end of the meeting to establish some views on various policies and issues. 4. APRALO Pin / Badge Decoration / ... We also talked about producing a pin or badge decoration or something that can be worn (name tag strap?) by APRALO... Of course before all of these, we need to figure out the type of budget that we have, and potential additional sponsorship we can raise... Edmon _______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org
Thanks, all very good ideas. I can organize the Beijing local ALSes' participation in the showcase if needed. In addition, may I suggest to have a Youth Forum for young people from all ALSes. Hong On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@isoc.hk> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Prompted by a short chat with Rinalia and following from our discussion in Toronto... would like to get the discussion about what we should do in Beijing started.
1. Special Showcase Event As brought up in Toronto, and with Hong Xue's help, we would like to explore the possibility of having the APRALO showcase event together with the Welcome Reception (on the Monday late afternoon/early evening). I can probably suggest for DotAsia to help with some sponsorship for this as well :-)
This will not only ensure more participation and reduce conflict in schedules, but also allow us to make the whole event more exciting. We also discussed the interest to avoid boring speeches, so we should discuss how perhaps we can "showcase" the work of different ALSes and also of APRALO during the event. Perhaps we can produce a short video (just to get the ideas started)...
2. Leveraging Fellowship program Instead of daily early morning "capacity building" sessions, we can leverage the fellowship program and send all ALS representatives (especially those who have not participated at ICANN as much) to the fellowship sessions (which are held early morning).
3. Multi-stakeholder Policy discussions/roundtables With the "capacity building" sessions taken care of by the fellowship program, the idea is to hold more intensive policy discussion sessions. With the benefit of having all the ALSes from AP there the idea is to further take the opportunity to invite other stakeholders, including government representatives, registries (applicants), registrars, intellectual property rights experts, ISPs and other NGOs in the region to join in a multi-stakeholder dialogue with a goal towards potentially producing a sort of communique at the end of the meeting to establish some views on various policies and issues.
4. APRALO Pin / Badge Decoration / ... We also talked about producing a pin or badge decoration or something that can be worn (name tag strap?) by APRALO...
Of course before all of these, we need to figure out the type of budget that we have, and potential additional sponsorship we can raise...
Edmon
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Hi Edmon and All, Some thoughts to add to Edmon/Hong and Maureen's ideas: *Part 1* - Verify contact details of all ALSes; - Have an APRALO meeting with Heads of all ALSes; [conference call] - Talk to the ALSes and find out what are two most important things for them; - Create long term development strategy for APRALO and launch it at the Showcase; - Identify representative from each ALS to liaise between APRALO and ALS on planning matters; - Pre-warn the ALSes of dates so they can make arrangements and book flights in advance; *Part 2* - We need to preserve the diversity in APRALO and emphasize the diversity, that is Arab/Asia/Australasia/Pacific components; - Use the preparation time as a chance to build relationships with the ALSes; - Create booths around to showcase the different ALSes - allocate spaces where they can set up displays etc; - Each ALS can have a 2 min video loop; - Create and identify youth within all the ALSes and identify means of organising a Youth Forum for seamless immersion of youth; On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, all very good ideas. I can organize the Beijing local ALSes' participation in the showcase if needed.
In addition, may I suggest to have a Youth Forum for young people from all ALSes.
Hong
Hi Everyone,
Prompted by a short chat with Rinalia and following from our discussion in Toronto... would like to get the discussion about what we should do in Beijing started.
1. Special Showcase Event As brought up in Toronto, and with Hong Xue's help, we would like to explore the possibility of having the APRALO showcase event together with
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@isoc.hk> wrote: the Welcome Reception (on the Monday late afternoon/early evening). I can probably suggest for DotAsia to help with some sponsorship for this as well :-)
This will not only ensure more participation and reduce conflict in
schedules, but also allow us to make the whole event more exciting. We also discussed the interest to avoid boring speeches, so we should discuss how perhaps we can "showcase" the work of different ALSes and also of APRALO during the event. Perhaps we can produce a short video (just to get the ideas started)...
2. Leveraging Fellowship program Instead of daily early morning "capacity building" sessions, we can
leverage the fellowship program and send all ALS representatives (especially those who have not participated at ICANN as much) to the fellowship sessions (which are held early morning).
3. Multi-stakeholder Policy discussions/roundtables With the "capacity building" sessions taken care of by the fellowship
program, the idea is to hold more intensive policy discussion sessions. With the benefit of having all the ALSes from AP there the idea is to further take the opportunity to invite other stakeholders, including government representatives, registries (applicants), registrars, intellectual property rights experts, ISPs and other NGOs in the region to join in a multi-stakeholder dialogue with a goal towards potentially producing a sort of communique at the end of the meeting to establish some views on various policies and issues.
4. APRALO Pin / Badge Decoration / ... We also talked about producing a pin or badge decoration or something
that can be worn (name tag strap?) by APRALO...
Of course before all of these, we need to figure out the type of budget
that we have, and potential additional sponsorship we can raise...
Edmon
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Hi Edmon and Sala, Very good recommendations and I would second all of them because I have been a fellow twice with the fellowship program and the morning sessions are both intensive and well visited by all top ICANN people to build capacity and make the participants aware of ICANN's functionality and Janice has her magic that helps new comers navigate around ICANN much easily. There is no one single way to build capacity and help navigation across voluntary organizations but our ALS's should be fine. Sala, I personally feel very uncomfortable when we have to conform to a single basket design and being told what to do, how to do it and how to show it without my own willingness. I don't think we should dictate how ALS's participate and that is a critical element in participatory involvement. We can help facilitate but not force ALS's to follow a certain criteria because these are either ISOC chapters, NGO's, community groups or loosely connected and organized communities. Thats also a tipping point in ALS active involvement that many of don't seem to understand. This gap has to be understood and I am being vocal about it. For example, my ALS (now called the Internet Research Group) protects and defends cyber dissent, that is sensitive for the well-being of our membership. It is a loosely connected membership consortium of people concerned about the future of the Internet in Pakistan, combating censorship, responding to govt actions, building and enabling further Internet groupings like ISOC chapters and consumer groups etc. I have members from media, think tanks, people leading ICT organizations and playing an important part in shaping the countries ICT and Internet Public Policy. They come from govt, regulators, telcos, policy and donor orgs, private sector, academia and research. No one in my group wants to be named beyond their organization, be directly named or associated with ICANN however they are willing to share their contributions and benefit from the knowledge that comes down through ICANN and ALAC because it helps build foresight and creating the playing field where Pakistan can also enter the domain and IP addressing playing field. We+one of our members is organizing part of a world launch of a UN flagship research report at the end of this month and have a series of policy round tables on Internet Public Policy, New GTLDs, Cybercrime etc happening by the Beijing Meeting that we intend to share and showcase. We will also be presenting a physical copy of the report to the Chair and CEO of ICANN if present during the APRALO showcase to show that we are contributing to global policy development in the field of ICTs and Internet. This small presentation could be one of the highlights because I can seek permission from the UN to show and tell the report in 5-10 minutes and it lists my name for substantive inputs to the report. So Sala, instead of telling ALSes WHAT TO DO we should help them share what they WANT to show. My ALS will be bringing a physical global contribution to ICT policy development. That will be our contribution from Pakistan. Similarly we should ask everyone across the ALS network that you can show what you want. We will help you show'n'tell etc. Best Fouad On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Edmon and All,
Some thoughts to add to Edmon/Hong and Maureen's ideas:
*Part 1*
- Verify contact details of all ALSes; - Have an APRALO meeting with Heads of all ALSes; [conference call] - Talk to the ALSes and find out what are two most important things for them; - Create long term development strategy for APRALO and launch it at the Showcase; - Identify representative from each ALS to liaise between APRALO and ALS on planning matters; - Pre-warn the ALSes of dates so they can make arrangements and book flights in advance;
*Part 2*
- We need to preserve the diversity in APRALO and emphasize the diversity, that is Arab/Asia/Australasia/Pacific components; - Use the preparation time as a chance to build relationships with the ALSes;
- Create booths around to showcase the different ALSes - allocate spaces where they can set up displays etc; - Each ALS can have a 2 min video loop; - Create and identify youth within all the ALSes and identify means of organising a Youth Forum for seamless immersion of youth;
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, all very good ideas. I can organize the Beijing local ALSes' participation in the showcase if needed.
In addition, may I suggest to have a Youth Forum for young people from all ALSes.
Hong
Hi Everyone,
Prompted by a short chat with Rinalia and following from our discussion in Toronto... would like to get the discussion about what we should do in Beijing started.
1. Special Showcase Event As brought up in Toronto, and with Hong Xue's help, we would like to explore the possibility of having the APRALO showcase event together with
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@isoc.hk> wrote: the Welcome Reception (on the Monday late afternoon/early evening). I can probably suggest for DotAsia to help with some sponsorship for this as well :-)
This will not only ensure more participation and reduce conflict in
schedules, but also allow us to make the whole event more exciting. We also discussed the interest to avoid boring speeches, so we should discuss how perhaps we can "showcase" the work of different ALSes and also of APRALO during the event. Perhaps we can produce a short video (just to get the ideas started)...
2. Leveraging Fellowship program Instead of daily early morning "capacity building" sessions, we can
leverage the fellowship program and send all ALS representatives (especially those who have not participated at ICANN as much) to the fellowship sessions (which are held early morning).
3. Multi-stakeholder Policy discussions/roundtables With the "capacity building" sessions taken care of by the fellowship
program, the idea is to hold more intensive policy discussion sessions. With the benefit of having all the ALSes from AP there the idea is to further take the opportunity to invite other stakeholders, including government representatives, registries (applicants), registrars, intellectual property rights experts, ISPs and other NGOs in the region to join in a multi-stakeholder dialogue with a goal towards potentially producing a sort of communique at the end of the meeting to establish some views on various policies and issues.
4. APRALO Pin / Badge Decoration / ... We also talked about producing a pin or badge decoration or something
that can be worn (name tag strap?) by APRALO...
Of course before all of these, we need to figure out the type of budget
that we have, and potential additional sponsorship we can raise...
Edmon
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Hi Fouad, The idea is to encourage ALS participation in APRALO and also help to facilitate their involvement into the diverse policy spaces within ICANN from APRALO. There is no one way to do capacity building. Nothing about APRALO membership suggests that APRALO dictates to the ALSes how to run their organisations, there is autonomy. We are commenting from making it inclusive to enable ALSes to be involved within APRALO. You can imagine each ALS is significant and has powerful and immense reach in their countries and region so they are all important - there is no issue there. Where we need to focus on building is how to build critical mass from all the ALSes in terms of strengthening their involvement in APRALO because when APRALO is strengthened and enhanced it means that At Large expands. Expansion is not in numbers only but also in quality of participation. The Showcase should be a way of showing off all ALSes within APRALO. Because of the time frame, it is important that Heads of ALSes are forewarned so they can plan travel and accomodation in advance etc. Kind Regards, Sala
Still Sala, we need to lower the tone and give space to participate, why do they not actively present themselves already? Lets not construct a process for everything including participation in a loosely connected system. Lets have the dynamics evolve by itself. Lets give a call to ALSes to participate and present in the Showcase and then the Co-Chairs can get in touch with individual ALSes and come back with the results to the APRALO Chair. We will have to put together a small one paragraph that APRALO is organizing this and this, these are the fellowships, this is the showcase and your active participation is required. Simple and straight and we can follow-up. We already have two 4 ALSs on board, mine, Edmon's, your's, Hong's? Best Fouad On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Fouad,
The idea is to encourage ALS participation in APRALO and also help to facilitate their involvement into the diverse policy spaces within ICANN from APRALO. There is no one way to do capacity building. Nothing about APRALO membership suggests that APRALO dictates to the ALSes how to run their organisations, there is autonomy.
We are commenting from making it inclusive to enable ALSes to be involved within APRALO. You can imagine each ALS is significant and has powerful and immense reach in their countries and region so they are all important - there is no issue there. Where we need to focus on building is how to build critical mass from all the ALSes in terms of strengthening their involvement in APRALO because when APRALO is strengthened and enhanced it means that At Large expands. Expansion is not in numbers only but also in quality of participation.
The Showcase should be a way of showing off all ALSes within APRALO. Because of the time frame, it is important that Heads of ALSes are forewarned so they can plan travel and accomodation in advance etc.
Kind Regards, Sala
Hi Fouad, That's precisely what I was suggesting in my earlier emails. Get the ALSes involved. Get them to participate in the design. Also there are some who will fund their way to get to the event and others who may have trouble but this is something that the Logistics/Planning will have to make considerations of. Warm Regards, Sala On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Still Sala, we need to lower the tone and give space to participate, why do they not actively present themselves already? Lets not construct a process for everything including participation in a loosely connected system. Lets have the dynamics evolve by itself. Lets give a call to ALSes to participate and present in the Showcase and then the Co-Chairs can get in touch with individual ALSes and come back with the results to the APRALO Chair. We will have to put together a small one paragraph that APRALO is organizing this and this, these are the fellowships, this is the showcase and your active participation is required. Simple and straight and we can follow-up. We already have two 4 ALSs on board, mine, Edmon's, your's, Hong's?
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Fouad
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Fouad,
The idea is to encourage ALS participation in APRALO and also help to facilitate their involvement into the diverse policy spaces within ICANN from APRALO. There is no one way to do capacity building. Nothing about APRALO membership suggests that APRALO dictates to the ALSes how to run their organisations, there is autonomy.
We are commenting from making it inclusive to enable ALSes to be involved within APRALO. You can imagine each ALS is significant and has powerful and immense reach in their countries and region so they are all important - there is no issue there. Where we need to focus on building is how to build critical mass from all the ALSes in terms of strengthening their involvement in APRALO because when APRALO is strengthened and enhanced it means that At Large expands. Expansion is not in numbers only but also in quality of participation.
The Showcase should be a way of showing off all ALSes within APRALO. Because of the time frame, it is important that Heads of ALSes are forewarned so they can plan travel and accomodation in advance etc.
Kind Regards, Sala
-- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
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