ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear all, This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted. Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything? Hong On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://wiki.iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
Thank you, Hong. We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm). ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3) Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels. Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
Dear Matthias, I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based. Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community. In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. Best Fouad Bajwa On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
Dear Fouad, Thank you for your thoughtful comments. ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3) Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton. The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU). We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO. I hope this is helpful. Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
Dear Matthias, We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community. Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue. Thank you and take care! Best Regards. 2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
Dear all, Thanks Fouad and I think it is the right thing to try to resolve it within the communities. I just want to add my very small two cents. First, I believe that the territorial definition should mean something when it comes to RALO memberships of the different regions. So the decision should not deviate from the regional realities. Second, I wonder if there may be any precedence of similar natures. And third, I wonder what the implications of this decision of ours may have on future situations. As RALOs and their (our) memberships bring certain rights and obligations, we have to consider the implications before we decide. Thanks and regards, and have a nice weekend! Charles (ISOC-HK, ALS in Asia) On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives
in
the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with
Carlton
Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
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Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
Thanks, Sebastien, for writing us back. As far as I remember, there are some cross-RALO individual "members/observers", in both NARALO and EURALO or NARALO and LACRALO. But I'm not sure whether an ALS in full membership and voting right can be within two RALOs at the same time. But we shall definitely open up our mind to think of any possibility to facilitate an user organization to participate ICANN process via RALO(s). In any case, the ALS applicant's consent shall be respected, rather than being subject to rigid regional segregation. I copy to the community list and wish the colleagues in other RALOs would brainstorm us as well. Hong On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > Dear all, > > This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the > Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and > would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > > Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this > application will be provided to you in due course. > > -- > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, > Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström > ICANN At-Large Staff > > email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > website: www.atlarge.icann.org >
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in that process. If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, hopefully, accept another member. Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking to be in EARALO why should we care at this time. Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time. Adam On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > Dear all, > > This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the > Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and > would be a member of APRALO if accepted. > > Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this > application will be provided to you in due course. > > -- > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, > Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström > ICANN At-Large Staff > > email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > website: www.atlarge.icann.org >
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
_______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge-lists.i...
Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org
Hello Adam, But all the contrary. They are asking to be Euralo and we tell them (it is an action item of the last week call of ALAC) that they can't, they need to be APRALO. It is why opening the discussion as suggested by Fouad is a good idea, not the change the regions but to see how we can accommodate part of their wishes. Azerbaijan is also member of Council of Europe. To start to push some ideas. IPAC become if APRALO and ALAC are OK member of APRALO. Regarding votes, elections... they need to do that with APRALO. And if they want, they can participate in any discussion within Euralo. It could be a first step to accommodate them without changing any rules. All the best Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : apeake@gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] De la part de Adam Peake Envoyé : samedi 31 juillet 2010 11:49 À : Sébastien Bachollet Cc : Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger; ICANN At-Large Staff; Wolf Ludwig; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; apralo Objet : Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in that process.
If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, hopefully, accept another member.
Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking to be in EARALO why should we care at this time.
Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time.
Adam
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions- topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a > question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the > applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I > overlook anything? > > Hong > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff > <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the >> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and >> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. >> >> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this >> application will be provided to you in due course. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, >> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >> ICANN At-Large Staff >> >> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >> website: www.atlarge.icann.org >> > >
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
_______________________________________________ APAC-Discuss mailing list APAC-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss_atlarge- lists.icann.org
Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Hello Adam, But all the contrary. They are asking to be Euralo
I thought the situation was that they asked to join EURALO (as shown in their application), but staff told them of ICANN's regions and they agreed to APRALO, quoting Matthias: "We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO." If they are actually insisting on being European then we have an issue. If not, then let's leave individual matters alone and continue through the regional review. Thanks, Adam
and we tell them (it is an action item of the last week call of ALAC) that they can't, they need to be APRALO. It is why opening the discussion as suggested by Fouad is a good idea, not the change the regions but to see how we can accommodate part of their wishes. Azerbaijan is also member of Council of Europe.
To start to push some ideas. IPAC become if APRALO and ALAC are OK member of APRALO. Regarding votes, elections... they need to do that with APRALO. And if they want, they can participate in any discussion within Euralo. It could be a first step to accommodate them without changing any rules. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : apeake@gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] De la part de Adam Peake Envoyé : samedi 31 juillet 2010 11:49 À : Sébastien Bachollet Cc : Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger; ICANN At-Large Staff; Wolf Ludwig; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; apralo Objet : Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in that process.
If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, hopefully, accept another member.
Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking to be in EARALO why should we care at this time.
Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time.
Adam
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote: > Thank you, Hong. > > We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible > to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's > geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: > http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions- topic.htm). > > ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the > current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim > Report (see > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3) > > Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton > Samuels. > > Best Regards, > -- > Matthias Langenegger > Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger > > > > On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a >> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the >> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I >> overlook anything? >> >> Hong >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff >> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the >>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and >>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. >>> >>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this >>> application will be provided to you in due course. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, >>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >>> ICANN At-Large Staff >>> >>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org >>> >> >> > >
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
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Dear all, the CoE and ICANN regional rules are as contradictionary as they are and we won't change them for the moment. I suggest, let's be pragmatic, as Adam suggested. If they agree being part of APRALO, it's OK and if they like to participate in EURALO calls as well, they are welcome. Best, Wolf Adam Peake wrote Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:11:
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Hello Adam, But all the contrary. They are asking to be Euralo
I thought the situation was that they asked to join EURALO (as shown in their application), but staff told them of ICANN's regions and they agreed to APRALO, quoting Matthias:
"We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO."
If they are actually insisting on being European then we have an issue. If not, then let's leave individual matters alone and continue through the regional review.
Thanks,
Adam
and we tell them (it is an action item of the last week call of ALAC) that they can't, they need to be APRALO. It is why opening the discussion as suggested by Fouad is a good idea, not the change the regions but to see how we can accommodate part of their wishes. Azerbaijan is also member of Council of Europe.
To start to push some ideas. IPAC become if APRALO and ALAC are OK member of APRALO. Regarding votes, elections... they need to do that with APRALO. And if they want, they can participate in any discussion within Euralo. It could be a first step to accommodate them without changing any rules. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : apeake@gmail.com [mailto:apeake@gmail.com] De la part de Adam Peake Envoyé : samedi 31 juillet 2010 11:49 À : Sébastien Bachollet Cc : Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger; ICANN At-Large Staff; Wolf Ludwig; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; apralo Objet : Re: [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Seems to me it would be best to keep any discussion about regions within the process to discuss regions, CLO and Carlton our reps in that process.
If we start making rules as we go along then it will just confuse everyone. In this case the applicant ALS is happy to be in APRALO, so let's just make sure regional advice is done on time and we can, hopefully, accept another member.
Applicant's initial confusion perhaps because Azerbaijan is part of RIPE-NCC territory? But doesn't really matter, if they are not asking to be in EARALO why should we care at this time.
Seems they may have some connection with the Global Internet Policy Initiative (GIPI), George Sadowsky ran that at one time.
Adam
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien@bachollet.com> wrote:
Dear Fouad, Thanks for your proposal. It is always good to see good willing between At-Large regions to find "intelligent" way to work jointly. I will be happy to discuss that issue in a common call to see the possibilities. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Fouad Bajwa [mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 30 juillet 2010 16:33 À : Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Wolf Ludwig; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Matthias,
We will have to do our ground work and my intention is not to announce another geographic region on our own. My intention is for APRALO and EURALO to work on this case we have in our hands and find a compromise or proposal that we can then make to ALAC so we are following some liaison opportunity here between the two RALO's here and I am interested in exploring this case further as much as possible because this is a real issue that we have to resolve within our community.
Once again, I request the staff to await the community's discussion and suggestions on this issue.
Thank you and take care!
Best Regards.
2010/7/30 Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org>:
Dear Fouad,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
ICANN's geographic regions have been subject for debate for a long time and resulted in the creation of a working group to discuss the current framework and make recommendations on how to improve it. The working group recently published its comprehensive Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr and Carlton Samuels are the At-Large representatives in the Geographic Regions WG. I suggest that we take up issues with regards to the current ICANN geographic regions framework directly with Cheryl and Carlton.
The ICANN regional framework applies to all ICANN constituencies and it is not currently possible for RALOs to define their geographic boundaries. The Memoranda of Understanding between APRALO and EURALO specifically refer to "Geographic Region as defined by ICANN" (Art 1.2.2 of EURALO MoU and Art. 2.1 of APRALO MoU).
We have contacted the applicant and informed them about the issues outlined above. The applicant confirmed that he would like to proceed with the application process to join APRALO.
I hope this is helpful.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 30/07/2010 15:30, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Matthias, > > I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since > within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are > always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on > issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On > this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO. > > When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of > Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country > that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman > Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible > to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a > EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only. > > The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles > that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to > but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs > where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable > solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a > change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a > compromise because this is need-to-need based. > > Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from > joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, > Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact > remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and > the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can > jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus. > > I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this > interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact > with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the > community. > > In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together > to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities. > > Best > > Fouad Bajwa > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger > <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote: >> Thank you, Hong. >> >> We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible >> to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's >> geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: >> http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions- topic.htm). >> >> ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the >> current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim >> Report (see >> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3) >> >> Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton >> Samuels. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> Matthias Langenegger >> Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) >> >> Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org >> Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 >> Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 >> Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger >> >> >> >> On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a >>> question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the >>> applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I >>> overlook anything? >>> >>> Hong >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff >>> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the >>>> Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and >>>> would be a member of APRALO if accepted. >>>> >>>> Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this >>>> application will be provided to you in due course. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, >>>> Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström >>>> ICANN At-Large Staff >>>> >>>> email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org >>>> website: www.atlarge.icann.org >>>> >>> >>> >> >>
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
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Dear Fouad and all, I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules... If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon. Kind regards, Wolf Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net Digitale Allmend http://blog.allmend.ch - EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
I totally support this pragmatic approach. Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Wolf Ludwig [mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net] Envoyé : dimanche 1 août 2010 01:25 À : Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Fouad and all,
I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules...
If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon.
Kind regards, Wolf
Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
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Thanks, Wolf and all others, for thoughtful contributions to these useful cross-RALO discussions on this interesting issue. We could build our future practices on these views and interactions on division of regions by ICANN. With respect to this specific case, may I suggest the follow pragmatic approach? a) Could staff send to APRALO list an updated application form reflect the applicant's new preference to joining APRALO, rather than any other RALO? So far we only heard from the staff, not from the ALS applicant directly. What we have in hand is still a form applying to join EURALO. Could we get things procedurally clear at least? b) Since all our discussions are on APRALO list, our members may still comment on this issues until the second last Tuesday of August. c) The application will be on Agenda of our RALO's next Monthly Conference call on the last Tuesday of August. If we could have consensus on this, our regional suggestion will be forwarded timely to ALAC later on the same day. Fouad, I assume you agree with me. Anybody else from APRALO? Alternative proposals are welcome but we've asked to speed up. Hong On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Fouad and all,
I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules...
If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon.
Kind regards, Wolf
Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net
Digitale Allmend http://blog.allmend.ch -
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
Please send all the future communications to the worldwide list. We should keep everything completely transparent. Hong On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Wolf and all others, for thoughtful contributions to these useful cross-RALO discussions on this interesting issue. We could build our future practices on these views and interactions on division of regions by ICANN.
With respect to this specific case, may I suggest the follow pragmatic approach?
a) Could staff send to APRALO list an updated application form reflect the applicant's new preference to joining APRALO, rather than any other RALO?
So far we only heard from the staff, not from the ALS applicant directly. What we have in hand is still a form applying to join EURALO. Could we get things procedurally clear at least?
b) Since all our discussions are on APRALO list, our members may still comment on this issues until the second last Tuesday of August.
c) The application will be on Agenda of our RALO's next Monthly Conference call on the last Tuesday of August. If we could have consensus on this, our regional suggestion will be forwarded timely to ALAC later on the same day.
Fouad, I assume you agree with me.
Anybody else from APRALO? Alternative proposals are welcome but we've asked to speed up.
Hong
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Fouad and all,
I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules...
If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon.
Kind regards, Wolf
Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net
Digitale Allmend http://blog.allmend.ch -
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
Dear Hong: Thank you for consolidation of comments and the summary for agenda items for the next meeting. Taking note now. Dear Matthias: The final decision for APRALO approval of the ALS application will be scheduled for the upcoming APRALO meeting (August) Dear Pavan: Please take note of agenda items as shared by the Chair. Best Fouad Bajwa On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Wolf and all others, for thoughtful contributions to these useful cross-RALO discussions on this interesting issue. We could build our future practices on these views and interactions on division of regions by ICANN.
With respect to this specific case, may I suggest the follow pragmatic approach?
a) Could staff send to APRALO list an updated application form reflect the applicant's new preference to joining APRALO, rather than any other RALO?
So far we only heard from the staff, not from the ALS applicant directly. What we have in hand is still a form applying to join EURALO. Could we get things procedurally clear at least?
b) Since all our discussions are on APRALO list, our members may still comment on this issues until the second last Tuesday of August.
c) The application will be on Agenda of our RALO's next Monthly Conference call on the last Tuesday of August. If we could have consensus on this, our regional suggestion will be forwarded timely to ALAC later on the same day.
Fouad, I assume you agree with me.
Anybody else from APRALO? Alternative proposals are welcome but we've asked to speed up.
Hong
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Fouad and all,
I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules...
If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon.
Kind regards, Wolf
Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10-en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig www.comunica-ch.net
Digitale Allmend http://blog.allmend.ch -
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
-- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China
Dear All, Attached you find the updated ALS application form sent to us by the Information Policy Analytical Center (IPAC) from Azerbaijan yesterday. The original application form contained a note indicating that the applicant would like to join EURALO if accepted. We informed the applicant that the ICANN geographic regions framework does not provide applicants with the option to choose the region they would like to adhere to. According to the current framework, Azerbaijan is part of the APRALO region. The attached document clarifies that the applicant would join APRALO if accepted. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org On 27/07/2010 09:28, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
Dear Staff, Thank you for forwarding the updated version of the document. Please take note that as already discussed on this list and with EURALO leadership, APRALO will include this issue as an agenda item in the monthly APRALO meeting and discuss the compromise so far reached between both RALOs in terms of membership and communication. Till the monthly meeting, this item stands pending. Best Regards. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Attached you find the updated ALS application form sent to us by the Information Policy Analytical Center (IPAC) from Azerbaijan yesterday.
The original application form contained a note indicating that the applicant would like to join EURALO if accepted. We informed the applicant that the ICANN geographic regions framework does not provide applicants with the option to choose the region they would like to adhere to. According to the current framework, Azerbaijan is part of the APRALO region.
The attached document clarifies that the applicant would join APRALO if accepted.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
On 27/07/2010 09:28, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
_______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
-- -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
Right, will add it to the agenda item for the next meeting Pavan On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Staff,
Thank you for forwarding the updated version of the document.
Please take note that as already discussed on this list and with EURALO leadership, APRALO will include this issue as an agenda item in the monthly APRALO meeting and discuss the compromise so far reached between both RALOs in terms of membership and communication.
Till the monthly meeting, this item stands pending.
Best Regards.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Attached you find the updated ALS application form sent to us by the Information Policy Analytical Center (IPAC) from Azerbaijan yesterday.
The original application form contained a note indicating that the applicant would like to join EURALO if accepted. We informed the applicant that the ICANN geographic regions framework does not provide applicants with the option to choose the region they would like to adhere to. According to the current framework, Azerbaijan is part of the APRALO region.
The attached document clarifies that the applicant would join APRALO if accepted.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
On 27/07/2010 09:28, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
_______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
--
-------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
_______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
-- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation
Thank you Pavan! -- On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Pavan Budhrani <pavan@registry.asia> wrote:
Right, will add it to the agenda item for the next meeting
Pavan
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Staff,
Thank you for forwarding the updated version of the document.
Please take note that as already discussed on this list and with EURALO leadership, APRALO will include this issue as an agenda item in the monthly APRALO meeting and discuss the compromise so far reached between both RALOs in terms of membership and communication.
Till the monthly meeting, this item stands pending.
Best Regards.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Attached you find the updated ALS application form sent to us by the Information Policy Analytical Center (IPAC) from Azerbaijan yesterday.
The original application form contained a note indicating that the applicant would like to join EURALO if accepted. We informed the applicant that the ICANN geographic regions framework does not provide applicants with the option to choose the region they would like to adhere to. According to the current framework, Azerbaijan is part of the APRALO region.
The attached document clarifies that the applicant would join APRALO if accepted.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
On 27/07/2010 09:28, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
_______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
--
-------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
_______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
-- Pavan Budhrani Communications Manager, DotAsia Organisation _______________________________________________ ALAC-Internal mailing list ALAC-Internal@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-internal_atlarge-lists....
ALAC Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac At-Large Website: http://atlarge.icann.org
-- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa
participants (9)
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Adam Peake -
Charles Mok -
Fouad Bajwa -
Hong Xue -
ICANN At-Large Staff -
Matthias Langenegger -
Pavan Budhrani -
Sébastien Bachollet -
Wolf Ludwig