I totally support this pragmatic approach. Sébastien Bachollet sebastien@bachollet.com +33 6 07 66 89 33
-----Message d'origine----- De : Wolf Ludwig [mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net] Envoyé : dimanche 1 août 2010 01:25 À : Fouad Bajwa; Matthias Langenegger Cc : Hong Xue; apralo; Pavan Budhrani; ICANN At-Large Staff; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; Sébastien Bachollet Objet : Re: ALS Application from the Information Policy Analytical Center
Dear Fouad and all,
I very much appreciate your elaborations on the IPAC case and your reflections on and your comparison with Armenia. Armenia - from a historical and cultural point of view - would be even more difficult to assess in the ICANN regional rules context, as your reference to the WP page clearly and rather contradictory shows. I think, we could spend exciting evenings to discuss cases like this, come up with interesting conclusions without consequences for existing rules...
If - in the given case - the applicant seems to be pragmatic on their preferences (even if their representative expressed his preference for EURALO to me in Brussels), we shouldn't enter into an endless discussion on this. We should agree on a workable solution that IPAC will formally be part/member of APRALO -- and if they want to have working contacts with EURALO (on an informal level) as well, it could become a good example for cross-RALO cooperation and we are always open for new experiences. If there are no strong objections raised any more, I think that APRALO should start with the certification procedure -- and the At-Large community should be glad about welcoming a new member soon.
Kind regards, Wolf
Fouad Bajwa wrote Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:30:
Dear Matthias,
I would like to step in on this issue and search for a solution since within this framework of community consensus, I believe that there are always some means available to reach a compromise between RALO's on issues where exceptions can be explored with community consent. On this issue, I would like to get in touch with EURALO.
When I look at Armenia and that is a region present on the edge of Europe or the bridge to Europe from Turkey, only Turkey is the country that is both in Asia and Europe and history maintains that the Ottoman Empire was always in conflict with Armenia because it was not possible to find path to Europe otherwise. Armenia exists as EuroAsia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia therefore I will treat this as a EurAsia issue and not an Asian issue only.
The documents shared are not rules, they are more or less principles that in principle we recognize these regions in the way links point to but we as a community have a responsibility to also facilitate ALSs where otherwise we are unable to find a possible equally acceptable solution. We as an At-Large community can work together to request a change of this principle with respect to working with ICANN to reach a compromise because this is need-to-need based.
Instead of giving a sweeping statement to revoke this party from joining APRALO, I would like to take this issue up with Wolf Ludwig, Sebastian and Olivier before we reach a final decision and the fact remains that the final decision remains with the APRALO community and the fact also remains that RALO's have an Inter-RALO link and we can jointly resolve issues with mutual consent/consensus.
I would like to request staff to await a final decision regarding this interested ALS party from both APRALO and EURALO as we make contact with eachother taking some time to resolve this issue within the community.
In consensus oriented groupings and networks, we have to work together to workout possibilities and mutual opportunities.
Best
Fouad Bajwa
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Matthias Langenegger <matthias.langenegger@icann.org> wrote:
Thank you, Hong.
We will inform the applicant that it is unfortunately not currently possible to choose the region they would like to join. According to ICANN's geographic regions, IPAC is part of the APRALO region (see full list under: http://www.icann.org/en/meetings/montreal/geo-regions-topic.htm).
ICANN's Geographic Regions Working Group has done an extensive review on the current geographic model and has recently published its Latest Draft Interim Report (see http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-28may10- en.htm#foot3)
Cheryl represents At-Large in the Geographic Regions WG along with Carlton Samuels.
Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger
On 27/07/2010 10:20, "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sending us the ALS application to the list. I've a question: if we take a look at Objective part Q.3, it seems that the applicant is based in Europe and interested in joining EURALO. Did I overlook anything?
Hong
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from the Information Policy Analytical Center. It is based in Baku, Azerbaijan and would be a member of APRALO if accepted.
Please find the application form attached. Due diligence for this application will be provided to you in due course.
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber- White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
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