I'm afraid we do have to worry about cost - we cannot end up in a situation where we have run out of funds to have meetings at all simply because people want to be on the call. There is no closed meeting in At-Large that I have ever experienced - if one were closed, it would be identified as such. The meetings, transcriptions, and recordings are being posted as they become available for SJ. On 10 Jul 2007, at 15:35, Michael Maranda wrote:
Regardless of cost, open meetings are open meetings, and if they are, then it should be clear with each and every announcement of same. This is helpful for newcomers to the process, and we hope there will be a continuing stream of newcomers.... such measures as clear statements around what is open and what is happening will provide orientation. Yes it is a tad repetitive, but thats the price we need to pay. Bits can be recycled.
BTW, are the minutes of the prior ALAC meeting (in SJ) publicly available?
On 7/10/07, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote: Michael:
There is no barrier to non-ALAC members attending the call. That said, every additional person on the call adds to the cost, and it already costs about US$12,000 per year for these calls, so I would hope that the community could use the recordings of the calls, the verbatim transcripts, and the summary minutes and not attend the calls in person as well. Otherwise, we will cut into the budget provision for teleconferences which exists for RALO teleconferences...
On 10 Jul 2007, at 14:56, Michael Maranda wrote:
Is there a clear policy on who can join this meeting? I had no knowledge as to whether persons not on the committee could join the call, and only learned that possibility after call had commenced.
On 7/10/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg@web.de > wrote: Dear Wendy,
thank you for the update. I hope you are going to take part in our tel conf call today as the Whois issue is important to the individual users and we would very much welcome your advice.
Best Annette
Wendy Seltzer schrieb:
The WHOIS working group is now working around the document attached to this list message: < http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00460.html >
Although the OPOC (Operational Point of Contact) is still being discussed, the draft burdens it procedural hurdles that would make it impracticably costly -- such as verification of the OPOC or accreditation with ICANN and status as an agent for the registrant. The intent behind many of these proposals seems, as is common, to prevent adoption of more privacy-respecting WHOIS display. If we don't keep the contact lightweight, it will be too costly for registrars to implement and individuals to adopt.
As this is on the agenda for the WG's July 11 call, < http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00491.html> it would be helpful if others who have been participating in the WG's work would also express their concerns, either on list or on the call.
The OPOC's responsibility was conceived as one to pass information along to the registrant, without requiring the registrant to list his or her direct contact information in public WHOIS. Somewhere along the way, the WG has given the OPOC an additional role of REVEALing information when a query is made but not responded to. This too seems like an overextension and loss for privacy, at least where there is no legal reason for the registrant's information to be revealed. As an individual participant, I continue to advocate that only due process of law should force disclosure of contact information that individuals choose to protect. I'd be happy to hear support or argument with that view.
I will be happy to join the ALAC call if there is interest in discussing any of these issues. Please let me know, and share your views if you're not participating directly in the WG.
--Wendy
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