Carlos, In my view, unless we can directly align the distinct notions of ‘public interest’ and ‘private business interests’ then it cannot be the obligation of ICANN to create a cushioned landing for a business (in a free market context) that opts to pursue a TLD. == Bart From: Carlos Raul Gutierrez Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:46 AM To: Seun Ojedeji Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista Dear Seun, I strongly disagree with your "winner takes all" evaluation. My basic premise was that ICANN was a non-for-porfit public interst dreiven organzation. Not a Pyramid business. But I'm here to learn. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El 2018-07-14 12:53, Seun Ojedeji escribió: Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Sat, 14 Jul 2018, 09:12 Carlos Raul Gutierrez, <carlosraul@gutierrez.se> wrote: Thanks Michele! Even if it has zero registrations, ICANN made a nice chunk of income out of it. Should they get their money back? SO: Did they not make a business decision, afterall they were not forced to apply. However wrong it might be, it was their choice and their loss, hence a refund should be moot. Cheers! Cheers --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El 2018-07-11 10:27, Michele Neylon - Blacknight escribió: Carlton It's a .brand – zero "normal" registrants or users will be impacted If it was a TLD with actual registrations then it would be a totally different matter, but it isn't. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday 10 July 2018 at 21:10 To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista Maybe we should track these 'returns/abandonments' and in context, [re]read the recommendations of the Subsequent Procedures WG? Saw a story of a domain investor account of his return on investment so far; he's in the red with diminishing prospects. On top of these kind of stories that speak to the conditions in the end user market and the 'retired and/or abandoned gLTDs, it just seems 'otherworldly' to me that in all the happy talk of new rounds, this idea that demand has something to do with markets is largely left unmentioned. Helluva thing! https://domainnamewire.com/2018/07/10/vistaprint-drops-vista-top-level-domai... -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org