Re: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings to remain closed

March 22, 2010

      I had no time since the meeting ended last week in Kenya. 

 First of all, I guess the way we address emails shall be under our rules of
politeness. 

I have no interest in any registry or registar and during 10 years I have
been in ICANN working for the interest of the community. 

So, I do believe, and any one which is not just an academic or a public
servant knows very well that particularities of contracts are always debated
in privacy. The problem is the name people was using to call these Registrar
meetings -  It is not a regional meeting at all!! 

Last November had one of Registrar meetings here in Sao Paulo and only
registrars were invited - the agenda: finance details of contracts. 

 Everybody was able to criticize the registrar agreement posted for public
consultation. The final platform of any registrar contract is known. The
details of each registrar, the problems they are having or not, these are
private matter and always will be.  

 I guess we spend so much time talking about no relevant issues and less
time working with the policy ones, we should be done. 

 Best to all

Vanda Scartezini

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[mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of carlos
aguirre
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:36 AM
To: At-Large Worldwide
Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings to remain closed

Dear Jorge. Right. The ALAC board liaison, could give to us some response at
this matter as you said.

Carlos Dionisio Aguirre

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:14:32 -0600
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From: jmamodio@gmail.com
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To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
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Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings to remain closed
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With all due respect, if that's your understanding and position, I'm
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now extremely concerned that you have been selected to be ALAC's
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liaison to the board.
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What kind of interests are you representing ?
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Jorge
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Vanda UOL <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote:
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Registrars/registries negotiations with ICANN IMO can not be open. They
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be talking about their business, the problems they face, prices they pay
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and this doesn't belongs to others to be aware. No company open their
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agreements/ no  business association allows other than their associates
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participate in issues will impact their particular sector of business.
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Vanda
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[mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Hong Xue
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN regional meetings to remain closed
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I can see Evan's concerns on transparency. Even if the meetings with
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Registries/Registrars might have the reason to be close for trade
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secret or other contractual issues, the other regional meetings should
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absolutely be open and the community should be informed well in
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advance.
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Hong
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Carlton Samuels
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The principle is important to test, especially in this AoC era. But I
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suspect the registrars/registries may just assume that since they
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literally
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pay the piper, they can call the tune.
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I would support this matter becoming an agenda item for the A&T Review
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Team.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
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Hello everyone,
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As part of yesterday's session in Nairobi, ALAC heard a presentation
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staffer Tim Cole regarding ICANN-run regional meetings held for
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registrars
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and registries. Contrary to previous suggestions, what I'd heard
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indicated
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that meeting organizers really have learned nothing from the backlash
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Toronto and Rome events. While there may be advance notice of the
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meetings
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that did not occur before, Cole was adamant that these ICANN-funded
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meetings
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will refuse admission to anyone except contracted parties. While we
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have access to the slides given at the meetings, proceedings of the
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meetings
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have not and will not be recorded.
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In a subsequent conversation, Cole said I was "wasting my time" trying
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get ICANN to change this policy; while on one hand insisting that the
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meetings contained absolutly no confidential discussion, he insisted
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the presence of public observers would have a "chilling effect" on
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discussions.
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I personally do not believe that ICANN should fund meetings that are
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completely closed, especially meetings that could open its process to
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those
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who may be more easily able to attend the regional meetings (that are
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to them) than full ICANN meetings. I suggested there were ways to
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that attendees were aware that meeting content was technical and not
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policy.
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Not enough.
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From an At-Large perspective I personally consider this a
transparency
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issue, feeding public belief that ICANN is merely a trade association
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contracted parties. If registrars and/or registries want to organize,
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fully
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fund their own meetings and invite ICANN staff to speak, that's their
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choice. But meetings planned and mostly funded by ICANN should not be
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restricted this way.
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Taking Cole at his word that we are wasting time trying to influence
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staff,
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different tactics may be in order. Perhaps this is something best
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through the still-forming AoC committee on transparency and
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accountability.
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Or maybe this can be taken up directly to the Board since we do have
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channel available. On the other hand, one ALAC member told me after
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Cole's
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presentation that pressing the issue would be burning bridges just as
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is trying to enhance its relationship with other ICANN communities,
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have more pressing matters.
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What do others think? Is this an issue worth persuing, or a risk worth
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avoiding?
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- Evan
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