At 8:46 PM -0700 4/8/07, Bret Fausett wrote:
Adam, they are archived:
Bret (Nick, happy holiday!), I'm obviously not explaining myself very well. I know about the archives*. I know there's a council list and regional discussion lists. What I cannot see are archives of the ALS discussion lists. Perhaps I am wrong, but if the ALS are to represent the views of individuals users, then it is the policy discussions happening at that level that represent the bottom-up process ALAC's about. If ALAC's opinion are to carry weight (and I think there are great opportunities for ALAC to take on more direct leadership roles if it can show good process for representing the views of individuals) then the ICANN community's going to want to see that the policy being recommended, people being sent as representatives, really comes from users and represents those users views. I've looked for ALS sites, some don't seem to exist, some don't seem to discuss ICANN issues. If there isn't more activity and transparency then I suspect the rest of ICANN will start to wonder if there's any depth to these structures. Nick mentioned one other thing I should clarify: At 4:27 PM +0100 4/8/07, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: <snip>
The ALS mailing lists could easily be made available to non-members - the reason that they are not is only to reduce the spam received by the participants of the list from bots crawling the archives if they were public.
I wasn't suggesting that everyone should have posting rights, perfectly reasonable to have lists where only the ALS reps and their members can post. But those lists should have archives that can be seen by anyone. I can't imagine ALS representatives discussing anything private - I'd imagine these would be lists where ideas from the ALS would bubble up for regional discussion. Open archive won't effect spam etc. Adam (BTW, there's one archive I can't find, that's for the address alac@icann.org)
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-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:59 AM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [At-Large] ALS lists - why no public archive?
Perhaps I'm missing something, but looking around the ALAC site information about ALS is pretty lacking. Particularly, why aren't the ALS mailing lists archives visible to non-members?
If ALS exist to support "individual Internet users' informed participation in ICANN..." etc etc, how can they do this if the ALS lists are closed, if we can't see how policy is made, with what degree of support, who was involved. What are the ALS doing?
Not suggesting ALS lists should be open to non ALS members, but if their recommendations, and "bottom up" policy represented by ALAC in ICANN is to be taken seriously, then there should be transparency.
Thanks,
Adam
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