+1 Gaetano, Using the DNS in this way is a new, state-of-art approach, its a good way to actually discriminate the traffic from illegitimate sites will reduce the instances of attempting to hunt down the owners but rather block the traffic and blowing them out of business. I think its a technology that is worth implementing at the root level. Gideon Rop DotConnectAfrica On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:47 AM, <at-large-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org>wrote:
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1. Article on malware preinstalled on PCs (Roberto Gaetano) 2. Re: [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input (Evan Leibovitch) 3. Re: [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input (Evan Leibovitch) 4. Re: [ALAC] ELECTION CALL for ALAC Officers to serve from 22 October 2012 to ICANN AGM 2013 (Carlton Samuels)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> To: "At Large " <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:15:38 +0200 Using the DNS in this way is a new, state-of-art approach,
http://cw.com.hk/news/microsoft-new-pcs-preinstalled-malware-found-china?pag e=0,0
The interesting bit, IMHO, is in the second page where they make reference to a software by Nominum:
Since the domain also hosts legitimate websites, Microsoft is using DNS (Domain Name System) software from Nominum that will allow legitimate traffic to subdomains of 3322.org but halt traffic to the 70,000 hosted websites that are harmful, a process known as "sinkholing."
It seems to me that it is important that we use tools that can discriminate between the malicious sub-domains of a domain.
We often have debates about collateral damages in hunting criminal behavior, maybe this is a step in the right direction.
Cheers,
Roberto
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> Cc: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan@unam.mx>, ALAC Working List < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:40:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input Hi,
I did not see the original message from Alexandro until it was quoted here by Sala.
Both your replies are very reasonable and well stated. The issue of capture is especially important. Consider my mind changed on the issue.
- Evan
On 18 September 2012 14:55, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Evan.
You are correct about the level of skills, talents that are already within ICANN itself. However for the purposes of having a review, kind of like an "auditing", there is always the option to conduct "internal audits" and "ex internal audits".
Whilst having a review done "Inhouse" has its uses, for a body that facilitates objectives pertaining to the key internet policy spaces where the world is the "beneficiary", it follows that there is a need for a review to be carried out "externally".
The Accountability and Structure Review process is a critical aspect of evaluating and assessing ICANN's operations so that much like having a mirror, it can work towards constant improvements, development and growth. If the pool of Experts conducting the review were sourced from inside, there is a far greater likelihood that due to "friendships, networks, shared interests etc" that the Report could be "biased". In a global policy environment, structures, processes have far greater legal, equitable, socio-cultural, economic, political impact on the quality of policies that are produced.
This no doubt includes substantive technical input, enabling mechanisms to continually allow for diversity into the policy spaces etc. The Affirmation of Commitments and Bylaws recognise this.
The issue is not about ICANN trusting its community because it already does through the enormous work in various Supporting organisations, advisory committees, working groups, task forces, cross constituency groups etc. The integrity of the evaluation lies in the ability to minimise risks of apprehension of bias, reasonable bias, bias etc.
Kind Regards, Sala
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> wrote:
Evan,
I'll take the daring step of disagreeing with you. Calling on external experts for the Accountability Structures panel is consistent with an institutional design that moves away from the potential for capture, shop blindness, inbreeding, and other ills that can arise from the lack of independent analysis. Since the 2003 reform we started to make sure opportunities for reasonable challenge and redress of decisions be part of the design, while avoiding in turn the capture of those processes by the politics of delay and by parties which are not committed to the result yet may slow it eternally or distort it seriously.
At the same time I will state that I am unhappy, as others have already stated, with the specific integration of the panel. Yet we have ourselves to blame as much as any other if this integration is the result of some horse-trading. If it is the case, it shows that we have not been able to get rid of *that* scourge fast enough.
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________________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Evan Leibovitch [ evan@telly.org] Enviado el: martes, 18 de septiembre de 2012 12:09 Hasta: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro CC: JJS; ALAC Working List; At-Large Worldwide Asunto: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
Personally, I am amazed that ICANN feels the need to go "external" when it has such a massive pool of diverse, experienced expertise within its community.
Historically, the use by ICANN of outside "expertise" has appeared to me to be an indication that the organization does not trust its own community perform such an evaluation. It's more evidence that ICANN as a body fears its volunteers rather than exploits their perspectives. I am much more in favour of having outside resources available to a community review, than to put leadership of this effort in the hands of people without diverse backgrounds or experience in ICANN culture.
- Evan
On 18 September 2012 05:40, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Jean-Jacques,
Thank you for your email and analysis. I fully agree with the wisdom of your counsel and the analysis, rationale behind the call for the ALAC to make a Statement in this regard.
Kind Regards, Sala
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM, JJS <jjs.global@gmail.com> wrote:
*Alan, Salanieta, All,* * * *sorry, you received 2 emails from me on the same subject. The first one, incomplete, was sent by mistake, so please read the second.* * * *Jean-Jacques. * 2012/9/18 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>
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wrote:
> *Hello Alan,* > * > * > *thank you for forwarding this information. Prior to making any > individual > comment on an open ICANN online space, I wish to submit that:* > *- this issue may deserve an ALAC reaction as such,* > *- at the very least, the ALAC should underline that* > * - the panel lacks gender and cultural diversity (3 White
males, even
> if one of them hails from South Africa)* > * - all 3 come from the same mold (common law, corporate affairs, > English)* > * - our observations are not aimed at the individuals, or their > personal > > value, but at principles enshrined in the By-laws, recommended in the > "Improving Institutional Confidence" document of the (now > I agree!
> * > 2012/9/14 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > > > < > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm
> >
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm
> > > > > > ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community > > Input > > > > 11 September 2012 > > > > In fulfillment of ATRT Recommendations 23 and 25, calling for a > > review of ICANN's Accountability Structures, ICANN has identified an > > international panel of experts to serve on the Accountability > > Structures Expert Panel (ASEP). Biographies of the experts are > > available at > > <http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep> > > http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep. > > > > The ASEP is interested in hearing from the ICANN community regarding > > your thoughts on ICANN's accountability structures, particularly the > > Reconsideration process and the Independent Review process, and > > whether they can or should be modified. Your comments and inputs can > > be submitted to <mailto:ASEP@ICANN.org>ASEP@ICANN.org and comments > > can be viewed at > > <http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/> http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/ > . > > Please provide your input by 1 October 2012. > > > > The ASEP will be posting updates regarding its work, with a detailed > > project plan expected by mid-September. All information regarding the > > ASEP will be accessible from the ASEP page at > > <http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep> > > http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep. > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > > ALAC Working Wiki: > > >
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> Cc: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan@unam.mx>, ALAC Working List < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:41:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
I did not see the original message from Alexandro until it was quoted
here
by Sala.
Sorry for the name misselling, Alejandro. I'll be more vigilant.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: ALAC Working List <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, At-Large Worldwide < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:44:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ELECTION CALL for ALAC Officers to serve from 22 October 2012 to ICANN AGM 2013 I share Evan's sentiments...and offer the same mea culpa.
Let us be clear here. I went to the Internal list before the call for nominations with my perspective on Olivier's leadership because I wished to offer a view - maybe a peculiar one - of what really makes the ALAC of notice in ICANN affairs.
I truly believe that it takes gumption, a certain diplomatic skill, will and the time to commit to do what Olivier has done. And all for free. IMHO, these are major reasons -vested in the Chair - for what we have collectively achieved. Yes, all others of the Ex-Com, and indeed some colleagues not of the Ex-Com, have played significant roles. Because once the strategic framework is advised by the ALAC, the details of strategy and how to put them in play are determined collectively.
I am a mere bit player with some knowledge, expertise and experience that might be useful to advance the common endeavour. I was asked to assume a role and I accepted. The role does not define who I am; I bring that to it. Neither is my sense of self - or value - entwined with the position. I am asked yet again. I have accepted, yet again. It is quite all right for the electorate, in their wisdom, to make another choice.
I second Evan's nomination. Assuming acceptance of nominations of all, I shall vote for the slate.
- Carlton
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
On 18 September 2012 09:57, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 this is a very reasonable position. We have to have rotation and new faces all the time in all positions.
As someone standing for re-election, I have an obvious bias in the discussion. However, even were I not, I would be intrigued -- and a little unsettled -- by the concept of "change for the sake of change".
There are term limits for many positions within At-Large leadership -- I am in my last of two terms as ALAC member -- and I am curious to know the rationale behind "new faces all the time" in a manner that exceeds both the intent and the practice of these reasonable limits.
This is now my sixth year within ICANN as a volunteer and I am only now finding a comfort level with the many layers and complexities of working within ICANN's policy development. That may just mean that I'm slow, but I would suggest that ICANN possesses a level of internal complexity rivalling that of a UN or government bureacuracy. It takes time just to learn.
Insisting on rapid rotation -- for the sake of rapid rotation -- ensures that ALAC leadership will never have the depth necessary to deal with issues that matter to Internet end-users. Our adversaries -- those who dispense with the public interest because of financial gain -- have no such limits. Indeed there are many within the domain industry who have been involved with ICANN since its inception and are acutely aware of its inner workings and how to manipulate them for gain. Given our reasonable levels of term limits our people will never achieve the level of personal entrenchment enjoyed by industry, but I would suggest that the rapid rotation suggested by some here would be absolutely devastating to the ability of ICANN At-Large to assert itself in the corridors of power.
If there are issues with the performance of individuals running for re-election, general complaints about leadership or direction, or the ascendency of people advocating fresh priorities or changes of strategy, by all means let's bring them forward and engage in useful debate and an informed election. I welcome such engagement. But I know that there are a number of issues that I personally am involved with and consider "unfinished business" -- unfinished because they just take so long to process through ICANN. The others running for re-election have their own priorities in this regard. I think it would be a shame -- and damaging to the At-Large cause -- if many of these efforts are forced to pause while being rebooted or re-learned simply because of an election based on theory that looks good on paper but works poorly in the negotiations room.
Two years from now, because of term limits, I know for certain that I will be off not only the executive but my ALAC position. I will welcome my replacement. I fully understand and appreciate the need to share the load and encourage new voices, both as a matter of outreach and keeping At-Large constantly in touch. But I suggest that there is a balance to be struck between continuity and refreshment, and that the balance currently in place within ALAC is a good one. Going more narrowly than term limits to assert change for its own sake does a disservice to incumbents and all of At-Large.
In most organizations of which I'm aware -- whether corporation, government or NPO -- frequent changes of leadership does not indicate stability or success.
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