Dear Evan, IMHO the reason why this kind of topic leads to important threads is that they precisely belong to our domain of expertise. In other domains like cc/gTLD management, or DNS architecture @large people are obervers and users. In the domain of human interrelations we are experts because we are directly concerned. This is the way IETF has started: the @large of the time who were machine admins started organizing together. The ultimate purpose of the Internet is to smartly support our international relations. There are three major topics involved at that layer: - how the underlaying layers (telecoms and datacoms: the internet) behave. - how do we optimaly relate together. The current solutions (mail, webdev, web services, wikis, blogs, spam, etc.) are not optimal yet. - how do we intergovern all that. We focus on this, but without mastering the two other topics we will stay non-productive be ignorance and practical incapacity. We currently face a simple and common problem: there always are different perceptions of their relational spacew by their members. How to best design its technical support, best pratices and control to permit all of them to adjust? This is not an easy task and if does concern everyone, many like you can be quickly fed-up. This is why, years ago the DNSO (under Roberto if I am correct) tried to address this problem. Several of us worked together at the DNSO/WG-Review, and produced some results [was Danny not the reporter?] (I personally enforced some of them in other environments), but no one developed the corresponding tool or produced the corresponding RFC. There are some interesting softwares now we could take also advantage from, and other experiences. The main problem is that such a WG should associate @large and techies. This is from experience quite an impossible requirement, as the IETF demonstrates it everyday. jfc