Amen. D ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Vanda Scartezini UOL Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 1:55 PM To: 'Veni Markovski'; 'Robert Guerra'; 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: [At-Large] RES: Tracking of our messages - a privacy violation .. ? Veni, Robert all I don't see any problem at all in this matter. The idea is just not waste our time in issues not directly related to what ALAC shall do to worth its existence. Any effort to reduce emails which are not contributing to our focus will have my applause. Best, Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br ? Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Veni Markovski Enviada em: sexta-feira, 11 de abril de 2008 12:49 Para: Robert Guerra; At-Large Worldwide Assunto: Re: [At-Large] Tracking of our messages - a privacy violation .. ? At 11:35 11.04.2008 -0400, Robert Guerra wrote:
Veni:
Thank you for your message. Are you posting in your capacity as an ICANN staff member, or in some other capacity?
Robert, as usual - and I am already tired of repeating this - I am writing in my own capacity. You can tell that even by the email address from which I post. As you are certainly aware, this has nothing to do with the topic of the e-mail, but is a tool to divert the attention. That is, to say, you don't sign your e-mails, so the natural thing to think is that you write here in your own capacity, and not start to look for conspiracy behind the fact that your e-mail address is "lists@priaterra.info" ;)
The posting of mailing list statistics - is, a new development. To my knowledge (and I may be mistaken), was done without prior notification.
And, if you don't mind, why would a prior notification be needed? So that people start to think how many bytes they write? Or how many messages they post? Even this conversation between us will increase both numbers.
If stats are being displayed in a very public way , then it is safe to assume that the information is being used to track us. if it's useful or not is really not the point - the issue is that LEGALLY, in certain jurisdictions - prior notification of what information is being collected, used and for what purpose needs to be up front and clear.
Could you tell how exactly we are "being tracked"? As I said, this is not information which can be considered private, or within the limits of the data protection laws (at least in Bulgaria, which should be based on the EU directives), afaik, esp. that we are talking about a public mailing list.
will be not only archived (something, that we have consented to) but also tracked (a new practice, that where consent has - i don't believe - been given).
Perhaps we should be more precise - not that messages are tracked, but they are counted. The same way a kid counts the cars, passing on the street, or the number of passanges inside the cars. Or both - in our case. I've played that game as a kid, and I certainly can't think of a reason why I'd consider this as "tracking" Best, Veni _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org <http://atlarge.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org <http://atlarge.icann.org/>