True Laura, Absolutely true. Not only Montreal, The Hague also, the Chair of AFRALO couldn’t make it because of visa issue. In London, we had an At-Large Summit, and a lot of our ALS representatives were absent also because of visa issue. In the ICANN Meeting Strategy Working Group, the visa problem was my main focus: I proposed that ICANN shouldn’t hold a meeting in a country that doesn’t give visa to all our participants. I was told that if ICANN apply this rule, we won’t be able to hold meeting because each country has its restrictions and there is no country without access restrictions. Tijani De : At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> au nom de Laura Margolis via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Répondre à : Laura Margolis <margolisl@gmail.com> Date : dimanche 31 juillet 2022 à 18:28 À : Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> Cc : At Large <At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Objet : Re: [At-Large] ICANN75: Selecting Malaysia and inclusiveness Yes, true about locations, not always easy for everyone. I remember last meeting in Montreal many people had lots of issues with visas and couldn't finally arrive. Best, Laura Margolis El dom, 31 jul 2022 a las 11:13, Glenn McKnight via At-Large (<at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>) escribió: Interesting point made by Hank on the fact ICANN selected Malaysia. The selection process for ICANN meetings clearly needs to be assessed. This is also a country with anti-homosexual policies See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 03:03, Hank Nussbacher via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: On 22/07/2022 20:35, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large wrote: I think you should all be grateful that you can attend ICANN 75. To quote from: https://www.icann.org/diversity-en "To live up to this responsibility, ICANN is committed to promoting greater diversity and supporting broad, inclusive participation in its processes." The upcoming ICANN 75 meeting takes place in Kuala Lumpur . Quoting from the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Malaysia_relations "Malaysian passports bear the inscription: "This passport is valid for all countries except Israel". Israeli passport holders are forbidden to enter Malaysia without written permission from the Malaysian Ministry of Home Affairs." One can of course claim that travel restrictions have been eased recently as per: https://visalist.io/malaysia/visa-requirements/israel which requires 9 documents and an appearance at the Malaysian embassy - closest of which is in Jordan. How does ICANN live up to its commitment to "inclusiveness" if it selects a country that forbids the participation of Israel (or makes it close to impossible to get a visa)? Regards, Hank Nussbacher Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer
Hi Bill
Not radical, but with some imaginative clauses that sound weird to the ears of somebody that is not a lawyer and does not live in a country that is particularly inclined to solve matters in courts.
Here is an example that, if taken seriously, would oblige me to ask some questions:
/This Liability Waiver and Release is specifically binding upon my heirs and assigns and is knowingly given./
Do I need to ask my (hopefully future) heirs to also sign the waiver? And if they don’t want, or even produce an official document, signed in the hands of a notary or other official authority, that they specifically do not acknowledge the obligation of being obliged to comply with this clause - maybe saying that they formally recommended that I take this trip, what would happen? How can ICANN enforce this clause in my jurisdiction - actually, in the jurisdiction of my heirs - in front of a formal statement of them prior to the fact? And if I attach this document of my heirs to my application, what would ICANN do? Reject my registration because one of the clauses of the waiver is not enforceable?
This is one more reason for loving the ICANN community, never a dull moment and a lot of fun :-)
Cheers, Roberto
On 22.07.2022, at 18:18, Bill Jouris via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
As such things go, this isn't a particularly radical waiver. A bit wordier than average, but nothing novel in substance.
Bill Jouris
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