Every decision-making organ in the history of the world has relied on the use of representatives to put forward the views of a large number of people. That larger group of people then seek to persuade the representatives of their point and ask them to enter it into discussions.
In the most effective form of accountability and representativeness so far
OK... HMMM... what a fascinating group of messages... where to start... Perhaps with some facts... ALAC and the RALO Secretariats use an Internal (well behaved and productive) email list, and our work is also done on dedicated Wiki and email lists associated with specific committee or topic working groups... Anyone seeking to contribute to policy and consensus opinion development is more than welcome to join any or all of these... But *please NOTE* they are focused, single purpose and are lead by people who are able to moderate *if* that is required... Most working Groups also run an interactive or dedicated Skype chat channel as well... We do however use and indeed *In My Opinion* require, a place for wider NON ALAC and ALS opinion within ICANN to be sort and this AT-LARGE list serves (difference in noise to information ratios from time to time considered) that purpose... However simple this concept is, those who are observers here need to recognise that this list is NOT an "ALAC list" per se it is a public list tool the ALAC, the RALO's and the ALS's *can and do* use for outreach .... One Tool Amongst Many... Yes... Any list can be moderated and we can impose codes of conduct... BUT SURELY ... We would be better to accept the diversity of views and opinions, conduct ourselves with self imposed courtesy, and in fact allow this list tool to do what it is meant and envisaged to do-> Allow for wider Public / At-Large input... And lists such as this, are NOT the only way this can be done... Finally (and I would like to think this could end the thread) the lack of it, or the use of it in a selective way does not, in my view greatly benefit any of us... Kindest regards, CLO -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 8:10 PM To: Kieren McCarthy Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Give it a break Kieren McCarthy ha scritto: -
democracy - those representatives are voted in, and can be voted out in periodic elections. This is the model that ALAC follows - or should be following - if it is to provide useful policy input.
I tend to disagree on this, for at least two reasons. One is specific - the ALAC also has an internal mailing list, which committee members heavily use; in fact, most of the discussions inside the group tend to happen on the internal list rather than on this one. So I don't see how any level of noise on this list can hamper the ALAC's ability to work - in fact, in the model you expose, ALAC members could just ignore this list altogether. The other one is philosophical - even if I was one of the people who designed this model, and even if one of the reasons for it was also to provide an intermediate, representative point where votes could be taken, you can't just conclude that the ALAC has a blank mandate to do and say whatever they like without consulting on each issue and only being accountable when needing reelection. This traditional, 19th century model is in deep crisis almost everywhere in the world. Increasingly, people are unwilling to delegate to intermediate bureaucracy layers. The Internet is the place where this happens more than everywhere else, as things tend to happen by consensus and in several cases there is no real authority unless it is continuously recognized by the bottom. If your problem is that you want messages by Mr. Williams to be filtered out, let the ALAC adopt netiquette rules under which his messages, as well as those by anyone else, can be judged. But this does not imply shutting down lines of dialogue between the ALAC and its constituents. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <-------- _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org