On 04/01/22 7:19 am, Jeff Neuman via At-Large wrote:
With all due respect Evan, I am not sure that the comments of a few people on the list during a time period when many are on vacation demonstrates the views of the the At-Large or the ALAC at all. There is likely a formal process to introduce the issue (as opposed to just on a mailing list). And I would like to use the process to raise the issue.
If, as you contend, there is little interest, then so be it. Then it never gets addressed. But you never know until you start the process.
And again with all due respect, one should never give up on making the organization better even if you are frustrated by our lack of success in the past.
Yes, Jeff, Evan is trying to make the organization better --- by, instead of focusing on a particular grievance (whatever its merit), being concerned over larger, structural issues, like conflict of interest -- in which issue btw you seem to have little interest, and you present banal arguments for, like I work in these ICANN positions voluntarily without any personal gain (when whether this is true or the opposite is true is precisely under the scanner) As for your response to my email expressing non confidence in your continuing with your ICANN positions owing to clear conflict of interest, i havent responded bec a response will require considerable time to dig into the documents you shared, and others, and present a fool-proof case. I think it is the job of others here, the regular 'community' to sift and see through your conflict of interest statements, that are prima facie so inappropriate, That is why public CoI statements are made, for the public, esp the closely involved community to inspect it, and if needed comment on it . But if people in these communities are more interested in mutual back-patting, and taking precaution that when the time comes it is not they who are 'exposed', then good luck to all. The organization cannot become better -- it is doomed ... parminder
Giving up just doesn’t seem like the right option.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey J. Neuman Founder & CEO JJN Solutions, LLC Jeff@JJNSolutions.com +1.202.549.5079 Http://www.jjnsolutions.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> *Sent:* Monday, January 3, 2022 6:42:02 PM *To:* Jeff Neuman <jeff@jjnsolutions.com> *Cc:* Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Not my circus, not my monkeys (Was Re: ACCOUNTABILITY Restart) Hi Jeff,
You've asked. Nobody's shown interest. OTOH, people have been having a much better time with the tangents this topic has grown. However ... While I can't speak for any other readers here, my response to your repeated demand for attention is one of enthusiastic indifference.
You don't appear to have convinced anyone that ALAC ought to fight your battles. Accountability issues have plagued ICANN for decades, yet you only come here when they impact one of your clients.
IMO, if ALAC is to address accountability, it needs to be systemic and also address ICANN's massive conflict-of-interest problem. I had a lot more to say about why this request bears ignoring, but I deleted it. Just not worth the effort.
- Evan
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 17:28, Jeff Neuman <jeff@jjnsolutions.com <mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com>> wrote:
Ok, all this has been a great discussion on Internet Governance theory, but can we bring this back to the subject at hand with respect to accountability and what practical steps we can take to address the accountability issues.
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