Evan since those groups are paid for the service I agree with you, shall be excluded. To this do not impact the work ICANN shall have a alternate in witing list to seat at the group once identified any kind of COI if was a volunteer I could accept the “out of room” in any debate related, for instance, same category- ( Brands? For instance) my 2 cents From: Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, 7 May 2025 at 18:45 To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> Cc: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Re: ALAC OBJECTION PROCEDURE for the new gTLD applications On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 6:10 PM Vanda Scartezini via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Aligne with the ida if the Board member that will do the final decision fro any issue related to any gTLD can go out of the room and no not comment or vote due this particular COI, I believe the rule shall apply to all in the gArg. What appears to be the broader consensus view, with which I agree, is that someone who is directly conflicted in one application is indirectly conflicted in others during the same round. Therefore they should not be in the evaluation group at all; being "out of the room" for only the direct conflict is insufficient. Given that we have so many fully un-conflicted potential participants this should not be a hard rule to uphold. - Evan