JFC: I would like to respond to this remark: "In a system where Danny Younger can decide as a non-legitimate NCUC member (as ISOC NY he represents an individual users organisation) impeach the adhesion of my non-profit services oriented organisation to its consituency (NCUC) the system is flawed in terms of democratic representativity." When applications are tendered for membership in the NCUC, members will volunteer to perform the requisite due diligence. Upon examining the bona fides presented and other documentation, I came to the conclusion that the application was submitted by an individual rather than by an organization. My assessment was forwarded to the Executive Committee that reviewed and agreed with my conclusions (and that still offered you an opportunity to refute the conclusions that I had reached). As the Committee was not persuaded by either your application or your refutation, membership was not granted (as the NCUC is set up to accomodate organizations, not individuals). Perhaps you will have some luck in convincing the ALAC that france@large is an organization with an actual membership. As for me, I have my doubts as to whether you actually have an organization -- not that it bothers me too much as the At-Large was always supposed to be about individuals (until the ALAC perverted the concept). So whether you will or won't be an ALS, it makes little difference to me as long as there continues to be merit in your comments and as long as we can continue to benefit from your contributions. ... and frankly, I have grown used to the presence of those on our lists that pretend to have organizations and pretend to be organizational spokesmen... so whatever the ultimate disposition of your latest application I will still welcome your messages. regards, Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com