Vittorio and all my friends, Filtering or censoring is inherently wrong, but I realize and any reasonable person would, that your long standing position in favor of Censorship is, and has been, a detriment to what philosophically the Internet is all about, and surely what any At-Large/ALAC should be about, internal mailing list not withstanding. So from a user stand point, ICANN, and it seems now perhaps the ALAC will never be representative or accountable to anybody but a very few "Selected" participants. If Selective Censorship becomes a part of the ALAC as it has ICANN to a very great degree the ALAC shall fail users all over the world. That indeed would be a shame... So I tend to agree with Kieren to that extent. And BTW Kieren, I do believe this is a very substative issue! I hope you and everyone of good conscience, do as well. Maybe someday those that seek to exclude will learn the error in their ways. At least I, for one of many and growing, do hope so... Vittorio Bertola wrote:
Kieren McCarthy ha scritto:
Every decision-making organ in the history of the world has relied on the use of representatives to put forward the views of a large number of people. That larger group of people then seek to persuade the representatives of their point and ask them to enter it into discussions.
In the most effective form of accountability and representativeness so far - democracy - those representatives are voted in, and can be voted out in periodic elections. This is the model that ALAC follows - or should be following - if it is to provide useful policy input.
I tend to disagree on this, for at least two reasons.
One is specific - the ALAC also has an internal mailing list, which committee members heavily use; in fact, most of the discussions inside the group tend to happen on the internal list rather than on this one. So I don't see how any level of noise on this list can hamper the ALAC's ability to work - in fact, in the model you expose, ALAC members could just ignore this list altogether.
The other one is philosophical - even if I was one of the people who designed this model, and even if one of the reasons for it was also to provide an intermediate, representative point where votes could be taken, you can't just conclude that the ALAC has a blank mandate to do and say whatever they like without consulting on each issue and only being accountable when needing reelection. This traditional, 19th century model is in deep crisis almost everywhere in the world. Increasingly, people are unwilling to delegate to intermediate bureaucracy layers. The Internet is the place where this happens more than everywhere else, as things tend to happen by consensus and in several cases there is no real authority unless it is continuously recognized by the bottom.
If your problem is that you want messages by Mr. Williams to be filtered out, let the ALAC adopt netiquette rules under which his messages, as well as those by anyone else, can be judged. But this does not imply shutting down lines of dialogue between the ALAC and its constituents. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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