Jacqueline, You wrote: attacked personally, libeled, threatened or just made to feel uncomfortable with expressing themselves. Don't you think that that is exactly how I am feeling right now? It goes both ways. Being threatened with the Ombudsman because you disagree with someone isn't pleasant but, you know, I like and trust Frank so I have no problem him being called in. He is a reasonable man. I have seen very little of the sort of thing you bring out above happening on list. Not to say it hasn't happened but not much. I would think that people are being more turned off by all the petty bickering. And as of yesterday, I thought that maybe we had gotten a handle on this and had a clear vision. I see today that I was wrong. Perhaps it will all end soon, though. We shall have to see. Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 8:52 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [At-Large] FW: FW: Information onrespectful communication Since Robert forwarded his "private" email to me to the list, it's only reasonable for me to forward my private response to him as well. Jacqueline From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:21 To: 'Robert Guerra' Subject: RE: [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful communication I asked the ombudsman for information, and passed it on. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech except in the freedom of individuals to participate in discussion without feeling that they will be attacked personally, libeled, threatened or just made to feel uncomfortable with expressing themselves. I haven't made any referral to the ombudsman, and if I were to, then I would do it in my personal capacity, and as Ombudsman contacts are confidential, I certainly wouldn't need to discuss it with the ALAC or anyone. I do not do things on whims and I resent the implication. This is something that has been in process for a LONG time, I've sent emails asking for a higher class of communication, people have emailed me, people have told me in confidence that they are turned off and not participating because of this exact kind of email that you are sending here. This is an additional step in the same process. Other people are talking to the Ombudsman about this ALREADY. I am trying to prevent this reaching to the stage of formal investigations, by providing information to the group that might assist in building respectful communication. Seems as if you didn't bother to read it. From: Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 16:59 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Subject: Re: [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful communication Jacqueline: Huh ! Either don't understand your email, or am so surprised that as outgoing chair you would take such an action. To be hones, after a productive and team building day yesterday - you take this bombshell and drop this on us. i'm frankly shocked ... I am assuming correctly that differences of opinion are such that you - in your own personal capacity - are asking the ombudsman to pass a judgement on individuals in at-large that are exercising their freedom of speech? An action such as a referral should be done in consultation with the ALAC, and not done on your whim. Please seek the support of your peers, to take such drastic steps. Might I suggest that - instead - you seek the input of the alac, and see if indeed we concur with your course of action. If obtain support, fine. If not, then no course of action - should be obtain. In summary - I think I speak for many of those on the ALAC in saying, please seeking clarify your proposed actions. Personally, I think they are most inappropriate. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 29-Oct-07, at 4:01 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: 0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the suggestions in the documents he has sent, so we can all work productively. Jacqueline From: frank.fowlie [mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51 To: jacqueline Morris Subject: wellington comment from page 6 on and http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf Frank Fowlie, MACAM Ombudsman The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292 tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649 www.icannombudsman.org <http://www.icannombudsman.org/> The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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