Re: The current proposals, and anything like them, just don't work to protect real individuals in the real world. John, Thank you for making this observation. What would be helpful would be a new initiative, a new proposal, that balances the need for protection with a modicum of respect for privacy. While the GNSO is mired in a set of new WHOIS studies that will doubtless take years to complete, the at-large is in a position to lay out a suitable game plan. We have seen the registrar community endeavor to deal with one set of problems by way of the ill-fated OPoC proposal. Just because that initiative failed doesn't mean that we all need to throw in the towel. Certainly, it should be possible for us to put our heads together and come up with a policy proposal that we all can live with. If we can come to a consensus within the at-large (that clearly holds a number of opposing viewpoints), then there is likely a reasonable chance that such a consensus could carry through to the other stakeholder communities. I'm willing to consider a new effort that could be managed on the At-Large WHOIS WG list. But I'd feel better about moving forward in this direction if we could get some input/cooperation from the actual ALAC members (that for some reason don't seem to be in the participatory habit lately). Are they still on this list? or do we need to write to the CPSR Governance list just to get their attention?