In a first place I agree with Veronica, on the other side I need to be insistent with the necesity to improve the communication of issues treated by ICANN, in order to fulfill this I consider very important to give at ALS`s translated documents. Nobody can participate if don`t know what happend. The largest community around the world don`t talk english. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:36:29 +0200> From: VeronicaC@diplomacy.edu> To: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework and Conflicts of Interest Policy> > Greetings everyone! > > I would be careful about decertification of non-participating ALSs, instead > I would rather think about a mechanism that can help us improve the > process/situation and there are a number of comments/ideas I want to share > here: > > 1. There are parts of the world from where it is hard to get organizations > interested to join ALS. e.g. We have now finally an organization from > Romania that applied (APTI), but if I am to speak in general about the > region I come from, it is difficult to get people in: the community is not > ready yet, lack of awareness vis-a-vis those issues we are discussing about > at ICANN level, etc. It is much more difficult to get organizations in > compared to decertifying them:)!> > 2. Once we have new ALSs 'on board' there should be an "accommodation phase" > (from 1-3 months max): period during which new ALSs go through the reports, > reading the vast amount of information, participate in their first > teleconferences, etc.> 3. After the 'accommodation phase', ALSs can/might be asked to submit brief > reports on a monthly basis emphasizing 2 aspects: their contribution to > RALOs discussion/policy issues/working groups, etc. AND their 'home' related > news: an event they organized, a publication they made, or anything else the > organization did in connection to any user related issues/policy/problems, > etc. > 4. If any ALS fails to report 3 months in turn, then we can discuss about > decertification of this certain ALS. > > If at this point, as Danny said "I would guess that probably close to 90% do > not participate at all in any exchange of dialogue" than, we definitely need > a mechanism in place that would involve a greater participation of the ALSs > in the dialogue. > > Do we know what are the main reasons these organizations are hesitant to any > involvement: > - How have we asked them (any survey done?, any interviews conducted or > anything else), > - What are the challenges that ALSs might face in regards to the issues > being discussed and the way they might get invovled into these discussions? > - How many reports have we received from ALSs so far? > - How many and what kind of complaints have we received from ALSs? > etc. > > I think before we start discussing about the decertification, we should > assess what can still be done/improved. > > Any ideas are welcome ... > > Have a great weekend ahead everyone,> as ever,> Veronica > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> To: At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:24:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework and Conflicts of > Interest Policy> > > I agree about decertification, although I am not at all sure that > lack of participation should be the driving issue. Before I decertify > ALSs for lack of participation, I would like to see some info and > stats about how the RALOs are drawing them into the discussions.> > On participation in the gTLD session, I think that this may a bit too > far removed from most ALSs, particularly since the announced topic > was how to implement the existing GNSO proposals (and not re-opening > the discussion on the proposals).> > Alan> > At 12/04/2008 03:41 PM, Danny Younger wrote:> >Alan and Wendy,> >> >Thanks for your work on this document. Allow me to> >point out what still is missing.> >> >We need some emphasis on the obligation of ALAC> >members to act to decertify non-participating ALSs.> >> >At this point, that's the vast bulk of those that have> >been certified. I would guess that probably close to> >90% do not participate at all in any exchange of> >dialogue.> >> >The ICANN Bylaws tell us that "Decisions to certify or> >decertify an At-Large Structure shall be made as> >decided by the ALAC in its Rules of Procedure".> >> >Unfortunately, whoever drafted the rules of procedure> >must have thought that they were crafting a document> >for the United Nations General Assembly, so, of> >course, no decertification process is outlined within.> >> >You're not going to be viewed as an accountable body> >if you continue to carry this much noncontributing> >dead wood on your membership roster.> >> >At the major GNSO conference that was just held in LA> >on new gTLD implementation considerations, how many> >ALSs had their reps in attendance (either remotely or> >in person)? Just two. That's rather pathetic when> >the ALAC claims to have 100 or so ALSs signed up.> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________> >Do You Yahoo!?> >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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