Veni, A more lenient tone would be worthy. I am already trying too... Dominik -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Veni Markovski Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:13 PM To: Robert Guerra; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Egypt vs internet (resending) Robert, to respond to the rest of your message, and to make sure you have this in writing (with my permission to forward to other lists, where I don't participate, but where I remember stupid questions and alusions being asked over and over again): I don't remember ever responding on behalf of ICANN in any mailing lists. I've stated many times, when I was on the Board, and every time people will try to drive the discussion from the important point about what I said to the useless and personal one as who said it, that there's no way for me, or any other Board member, or staff employee, or anyone related to ICANN to speak on behalf of the organization, as it has President/CEO and Chairman of the Board, who do that. Not amazingly, you start your own email with an "innocent" quick question, pointing exactly in that direction. Could you tell me, on what base whatsoever, you decided that I may be speaking on behalf of ICANN? Now, let's see (without making any alusions about you:) ... At 04:13 PM 5/25/2008 -0400, Robert Guerra wrote:
4. At-Large Advisory Committee
4a. The role of the At-Large Advisory Committee ("ALAC") shall be to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN, insofar as they
relate to the interests of individual Internet users.
- Individual internet users in Egypt are active online (see refs below). To exercise our role, then we need to learn about the regions where internet users are active and bring their comments and opinions to ICANN. Reports and contacts with users in Egypt indicate that issues
of freedom of expression online and censorship are one of their key concerns.
Do you know that someone from Egypt has been banned on discussing issues, related to "the activities of ICANN"? From what you quoted further, you talk about Facebook, which is not an ICANN activity.
I have asked [now numerous times] what (if any) outreach efforts have been developed to engage and recruit ALS's from Egypt and/or the middle
east. Engaging internet users and possible ALS's from Egypt is well within the scope of ALAC's mission.
This is not what you were asking in your original message, where you were talking about something else, and as many people pointed out - not related to the ALAC.
And a way to imitate discussion on a mailing list. As to point 2, do you have experience that people who wanted to attend an ICANN meeting were not allowed to? Do you have information
for censorship of access at inewtrnational meetings in Cairo?
I want to be proactive and seek from ICANN and the organizers of the meeting assurances that the standard practice of allowing for "open registration" and meeting the specifications in the Meetings RFP (see below) in regards to connectivity have been met. I don't want people to complain - after the fact - and given the issues
that "might" arise, I think it prudent to ask well in advance of the meeting taking place.
Well... Don't you have concerns about the quality of the water in the hotel? Or, did you have concerns about the stomach problems in India, and did you ask the local hosts to make sure they wash the salads, and cook at high temperature? And do you have ANY information that registration will be "closed" (as opposed to "open")? Or it is, as I say, an imitation of a discussion?
And do you know how the local host will react to a declaration about
a "problem" which may not even exist for the meeting.
as for issues - i am keen that there not be any. It is well documented that censorship and limitations to freedom of expression exist online in Egypt...
...and this is within the scope of the ALAC, says Robert Guerra from Privaterra.
Or it is only a question of being active on the list?
well - as you can see from the montly stats, i'm not the most active person on here...
I don't know if it is true, but you have the rare capability of starting a non-sense discussion, which might make people not willing to participate at all.
The mission and focus of my ALS - privaterra - is that of providing technical and policy advice to NGOs (particularly human rights and social justice organizations) regarding IT security and internet governance.
Then you have the full right to use Privaterra to do what you want ALAC do. Or, in other words - since you have the means to achieve your goals, why are you trying to achieve them with the help of the ALAC, which has not the same goals as Privaterra. veni _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org