Hi Roberto, My apologies, I made a mistake when I replied to a comment on the draft civil society engagement document. Mistakenly, I thought there were some ALS that represented commercial concerns. I was wrong. Best, Adam Begin forwarded message: From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> Subject: [At-Large] R: R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation Date: December 14, 2015 at 08:56:36 GMT+9 To: "'Glenn McKnight'" <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com<mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Thanks for the document, Glenn. I understand that it is a complicated issue, but my point was just that I consider incorrect the allegation by ICANN Staff that we have in ALAC ALSes that are expression of commercial interests. This is contrary to the criteria for certification, and therefore, if such cases exist (which I honestly doubt), corrective action should be taken. As simple as that. And it is orthogonal to the Civil Society definition issue. However, since you raise the problem, I will add that if the question arises for defining who is “Civil Society” and who is not – that should be the “Uncivil Society” :) - not just for At-Large Structures, but also for all other components of this new group. Besides, the title reads: “ICANN Civil Society and Non-Commercial engagement in FY16 [Civil Society, Non-Commercial, Academic and End-User Engagement in FY16]”. Honestly, I do not understand this suspicion about At-Large Structures, for which, incidentally, there is a fully auditable and publicly known certification process – which is not really the case in a lot of other components of the ICANN multi-stakeholder community. Long story short, it strikes me, as a reader of the document, that what I consider by and large the non-commercial user community is divided in two parts, one (the NCSG) that is considered orthodox ex-officio, the other one (ALAC) that is accepted in bits and pieces, and only after an autodafé. Cheers, R. Da: Glenn McKnight [mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com] Inviato: domenica 13 dicembre 2015 23:07 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: Seun Ojedeji; At-Large Worldwide Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation Hi All The problem with the document starts without a common definition of What is Civil Society. I have added a document that addresses that issue. I fear that if we lack a proper definition we will see ATLARGE being outside the parameters of this measure Attached Glenn Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn@gmail.com<mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight . On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> wrote: Seun, In EURALO we have occasionally de-certified ALSes that were no longer compliant. I would assume that this would be the case in all RALOs. There is an issue of credibility of ALAC at stake. R. Da: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>] Inviato: domenica 13 dicembre 2015 22:43 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: At-Large Worldwide Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation On Dec 13, 2015 22:14, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> wrote:
. Therefore, the ALS, when certified, is guaranteed not to be promoting for-profit or government agendas.
Can we have this straightened up once and for good?
SO: +1 the wording of staff sure needs to be corrected. I would have thought they are referring to the processes ALS members participate in. For instance some ALS members participate in regional technical meetings et all. Even if that is the intent, a rewording is still required.
Alternatively, may I know which are the At-Large Structures that allegedly “represent business interests”?
SO: Actually this should be looked into at At-Large level (aside this particular subject), there may be need for occasional audit to determine if certified ALS status has indeed changed to being for-profit as I expect that due diligence is usually done during initial application to ensure such is not the case. Regards
Cheers,
Roberto
Da: alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff Inviato: venerdì 11 dicembre 2015 15:12 A: ALAC Announce Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation
On behalf of Jean-Jacques Sahel and Adam Peake
Dear All,
Please find below participation details for Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation on Wednesday 16 Dec 2015 at 14:00 UTC
This call is for ICANN Staff and the community to start planning together joint activities and other deliverables such as new content production for the coming months, under the new civil society engagement approach.
A draft agenda will be circulated for comments shortly.
Please remember that you can comment on the draft Civil Society engagement strategy by end of Friday 11 December here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBc...
The revised document will be circulated ahead of the call on December 16.
This call will be in English only.
Thank you.
Regards,
Jean-Jacques Sahel & Adam Peake
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