robert What do you mean by "tracking"? All I see is that recently there was a discussion about posting overload and a member of the list decided to count the emails sent by each peron. I don't see any privacy violation - everyone can go to the public archives and do the same count (even people who are not members of the list!) It's a public list, with public archives that are available on search engines! What could be private about that? Jacqueline Robert Guerra wrote:
The weekly posting to the list of the list of messages sent, has me thinking that tracking of our messages is being done. This raises a couple of issues, that i'll comment on below.
1. What information is being tracked ?
The information listed, gives information only details messages sent - and not what messages have been read. cookies and/or embedded messages would have to be added to the messages to be able to better track what is being read.
2. Has a privacy statement been developed and shared, and approved by ALAC regarding the personal mailing list data that now seems to be collected & used.
As has been stated several times on this list - Strong privacy legislation and/or standards exist in many of the jurisdictions where ALS are active.
If indeed we are strong supporters of Privacy, then we should recognize that the new practice of "tracking our postings" - is a change in the use of trans-border personal information, one that - in certain jurisdictions - requires consent of the parties involved. No prior consent, I believe was requested - so , we might have an issue.
3. Yes, the message posting list might appear innocent enough - but, let's not forget that we need to serve as an example and practice the very recommendations that we "preach" regarding privacy.
I look forward to hearing what others think about this, and what steps (if any) we might want to take ..
regards
Robert
ps. some references
The OECD Working Party on Information Security and Privacy (WPISP) http://www.oecd.org/sti/security-privacy
Canada - The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) http://www.privcom.gc.ca/ind/index_e.asp http://www.privcom.gc.ca/bus/index_e.asp
And since ICANN is based in California - some links to legislation that likely apply to California based corporations...
http://www.oispp.ca.gov/consumer_privacy/business/default.asp
California has passed legislation requiring certain specific disclosures be made available to California residents who use the Internet and provide information that may be used for marketing purposes. That legislation requires any business that discloses a customer's personal information (as defined by the act) to any third party for direct marketing purposes to provide the customer a method for obtaining the names, addresses and certain other specified details of anyone who might have received that personal information..
On 11-Apr-08, at 8:36 AM, Thomas Narten wrote:
Total of 141 messages in the last 7 days.
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Messages | Bytes | Who --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 12.06% | 17 | 14.20% | 196268 | jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com 13.48% | 19 | 10.23% | 141391 | dannyyounger at yahoo.com 6.38% | 9 | 8.44% | 116630 | roberto at icann.org 6.38% | 9 | 6.22% | 85974 | lists at privaterra.info 6.38% | 9 | 5.33% | 73700 | jam at jacquelinemorris.com 5.67% | 8 | 5.17% | 71427 | wendy at seltzer.com 4.96% | 7 | 5.51% | 76107 | namecritic at blogs.pn 4.96% | 7 | 3.91% | 53976 | alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca 3.55% | 5 | 4.11% | 56854 | jefsey at jefsey.com 1.42% | 2 | 5.61% | 77570 | ymshana2003 at hotmail.com 2.84% | 4 | 2.16% | 29892 | ross at tucows.com 2.13% | 3 | 2.68% | 37079 | carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com 2.84% | 4 | 1.90% | 26284 | evan at telly.org 2.13% | 3 | 2.17% | 29960 | brenbe at consumer.org 2.13% | 3 | 1.73% | 23865 | dthompson at gov.nu.ca 2.13% | 3 | 1.61% | 22269 | bfausett at internet.law.pro 2.13% | 3 | 1.37% | 18871 | johnl at iecc.com 2.13% | 3 | 1.35% | 18602 | michele at blacknight.ie 0.71% | 1 | 2.76% | 38149 | jsalgueiro at cantv.net 1.42% | 2 | 1.57% | 21746 | vanda at uol.com.br 1.42% | 2 | 1.33% | 18414 | derek at aa419.org 1.42% | 2 | 1.06% | 14695 | rudi.vansnick at isoc.be 1.42% | 2 | 1.06% | 14608 | hongxueipr at gmail.com 1.42% | 2 | 1.05% | 14508 | cheryl at hovtek.com.au 0.71% | 1 | 1.42% | 19661 | sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr 0.71% | 1 | 0.65% | 9038 | veronicac at diplomacy.edu 0.71% | 1 | 0.61% | 8447 | staff at atlarge.icann.org 0.71% | 1 | 0.59% | 8138 | ajp at glocom.ac.jp 0.71% | 1 | 0.57% | 7935 | andrespiazzagpj at hotmail.com 0.71% | 1 | 0.57% | 7854 | frederic.teboul at icann.org 0.71% | 1 | 0.56% | 7750 | stacy.burnette at icann.org 0.71% | 1 | 0.55% | 7539 | narten at us.ibm.com 0.71% | 1 | 0.51% | 7009 | hawadiakite at gmail.com 0.71% | 1 | 0.50% | 6978 | patrick at vande-walle.eu 0.71% | 1 | 0.48% | 6568 | nick.ashton-hart at icann.org 0.71% | 1 | 0.46% | 6323 | icann-list at sorehands.com --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------ 100.00% | 141 |100.00% | 1382079 | Total
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