Jacqueline: Have we had discussions about gender before in regards to icann policy? Is there a working group, policy group that is talking about gender? have any user groups and/or at-large groups raised the issue before? I don't think so. If you want to start that - new - discussion, please feel free to do so. At-large groups have commented on the importance of privacy, and such - it is the reason I am supportive of Danny's proposal. I'm not saying one right is more important then the other - just that ALAC has raised the right of Privacy as a right before and we should include it as a core value. Of course, having ICANN adopt and include more comprehensive core values that are support of human rights would be most welcome. As I've mentioned before, instead of including a laundry list of rights to include (and ones to exclude) at-large might prefer instead to support that ICANN adopt the UNDHR as a core value. Countries have done so at the UN - icann should as well. btw. I still haven't gotten any comments from you or others on the ALAC in regards to my request to ICANN management to state if they will seek assurances from the Egyptian authorities that users from both Egypt and the region will be able to freely attend the meeting and have access to an unfiltered internet. In short I am most disappointed that ALAC and the at-large community seems mostly silent on the issue.. regards Robert On 23-May-08, at 4:08 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
hi Robert Since you also indicate that you think privacy is a core value, I will ask you the question as well - what in your opinion makes privacy a core value? What are the reasons? I can see gender being a core value , it's pretty universal, I can see cultural diversity - pretty much universal as well - basically all the human rights ones. Privacy isn't a value enshrined in consitutions and cultures universally AFAIK. So it will help explain it if you guys could say what it is, and why it's a core value.
Jacqueline Robert Guerra wrote:
Before we start making a laundry list of values - let's first review existing statements and values mentioned both by users and At-large. Privacy is such a core value - and I support - Danny's proposal that privacy be added as a core value.
On the topic of additional values - instead of listing individual rights (such as privacy, gender, etc) we might want instead to focus on having ICANN adopt as a key value - a strong endorsement of the international norms such as the Vienna convention on human rights. The logic being, if it wants to act as an international body - they it should adopt and promote rights already agreed to by the international community.
http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.CONF.157.23.En
regards
Robert
On 23-May-08, at 3:26 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
Hi Danny Not to say I agree or disagree, but I would like to ask - why privacy as a core value and not for example adding gender into core value #4 (functional, geographic, and cultural diversity ) Why is privacy a core value in your opinion? Jacqueline Danny Younger wrote:
Dear members of the ALAC:
As you may be aware, privacy is not an ICANN "Core Value". The word "privacy" does not appear within the bylaws. I am of the view that ICANN would be well served by articulating that it respects privacy.
If we ultimately seek to arrive at a consensus on the fundamental issue of protection of personal privacy, we need to have a starting point to stimulate ICANN-wide discussion. Accordingly, I am asking you to drive home this point by petitioning the ICANN Board to amend its core values section in the bylaws so that privacy may come to be acknowledged as a value to be respected.
I look forward to your comments.
Danny Younger
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